BJJ/Judo

[Uncle Corny]

But Judo has the advantage in a street fight owing to its ability to throw people down, leaving the defender able to run off home to his family.

i'm not trying to be a jerk or belligerent, but from this comment, is it possible that you've never been in a "street fight?" That or you fought someone who was a complete klutz?

[Tom Yum]

The answer, in my opinion, is neither. they're both cute and fun on a mat. in a real life, kill or be killed, combat situation, they're both useless.

Your statement shows that you haven't been paying attention in jujitsu or judo class.

[Uncle Corny]

i've paid attention plenty. the best is when someone asks if i'd like to "play judo" with them. woop woop. deadly!

[Thai Bri]

Uncle Corny.

I know all the arguments about the difference between sport and street. I also have had one or two little tiny fights myself. I don't train Judo, and train various Combatives/RBSD systems.

But the thread is about BJJ and Judo. And the average Judo Black Belt is courageous, strong, hard and fast. He can also dump people hard into the ground, on their heads. I reckon that may just help him a little in a real go.

Heres a tip, mysterious military boy. Read the thread first.

[hippo]

There must be hundreds of these judo vs.bjj threads on the internet. To me, its pretty simple get to an answer for non street situations: just have a few judo vs. bjj tournaments. No striking. How difficult can this be to arrange? Why hasn't it been done?

For street, everyone assumes that the enemy will be unarmed, but what if he has a knife hidden? Then how good are either judo or bjj? Look at a UFC or NHB fight, and if that was real fight and you were in the guard etc., and a knife was pulled, it would be bad. So, look to old school jiu jutsu for learning about defense against possibly armed attackers.

All in all, judo is more versatile, so on average it would win, but it all depends onn the fighters and the actual situation.

[Uncle Corny]

well in that case. tekkenryu jujutsu is the best for street fighting. i'd never want to fight carl cestari that's for sure. i know there are different kinds of judo, and fairbairn as inspired buch such and such, but unless you're a 3rd degree in any martial art, you're pretty much worthless. if you're not fighting someone of your field, you're fucked. a mugger with a knife isn't going to give you the time to give him the old OSOTTO GARI. it's just not happening. even if you know how to do it. the end result is a stab wound in your abdomine. that's just my opinion of course.

[Tom Yum]

For street, everyone assumes that the enemy will be unarmed, but what if he has a knife hidden?

Whose to say that the defender doesn't have a weapon?

[Uncle Corny]

there's only one method i know that teaches you the sure fire, speedy way to take someone's weapon *knife or gun* away from them, and proceed to maim or kill them with a few nifty moves.

[hippo]

In defense of bjj, in a sport situation, we should remember that kodokan judo, which initially was focused on throwing, got whipped pretty good by kozen judo newaza/groundwork experts, which led Kano to place more emphasis on groundwork than he had done. So, bjj, especially in a non-gi fight, would hold its own.

[mattmo]

kano jujitsu

I found an interesting book at the used bookstore a couple of months back that was titled Kano Jujitsu. I don't have it handy but I belive that it was printed in England around 1905. It had most of the Kodokan techniqes, and more traditional jujitsu in it but it also had a fair amount of attacks that took place below the waist, leg locks, heel hooks and such. The guys in the pictures wore shoes and tight pants with patches on the knees. Their gis didn't look much like a regulation judo gi's either, sometimes short in the sleeves. I'm not an expert on Judo history or anything but I'm guessing that these guys were probably proficient in all of the techniqes in modern BJJ and Submission Wrestling.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

[hippo]

That's interesting. I think the early judo, from which Maeda came, was different than post-WW II Olympic sports judo.

[Tom Yum]

if you're not fighting someone of your field, you're fucked. a mugger with a knife isn't going to give you the time to give him the old OSOTTO GARI.

Interesting you say that. Remember Steve Jennum (ninjitsu-jjj) vs. Milton Bowen (#5 Ranked WBF Heavyweight)? Or Gene Labell (Judo) vs. Milo Savage (#1 Ranked Middleweight).

In both cases, the fight closed punching distance. The Jennum/Bowen fight closed faster. The Labell/Savage fight took more time as Savage was able to land some body punches on Labell. Regardless, both boxers got thrown and submitted. Boxing is still a very powerfull and dangerous sport, but not as much at the clinch and grappling level.

Judo vs. Knife is allready at the judoka's disadvantage. However, if the judoka and knife weilder end up in a struggle, I'd give a slight advantage to the judoka...only slight

[Mister]

i've paid attention plenty. the best is when someone asks if i'd like to "play judo" with them. woop woop. deadly!

Has anyone ever seen the UFC Undisputed fight where Hermes Franca drops Caol Uno onto his head with a judo throw (hare-goshi)?? Ouch. That would be pretty deadly on hard concrete, wouldnt it?

[IPON]

kodokan judo, which initially was focused on throwing, got whipped pretty good by kozen judo newaza/groundwork experts

Actually, it was Fusen Ryu Jujutsu which defeated the Kodokan. Kosen Judo is a branch of prewar Judo with integration of Fusen Ryu jujutsu. Kosen Judo remained unchanged after Kano started removing techniques.

[team money]

first of all the kids in your school probably dont know what they are talking about.

anyway there is no better style there is just different ones that people made up for different reasons.

the key to fighting isnt what style you know it is just the way you use what you know and what you were taught in the class.