Is fighting pointless?

[darrianation]

I've been wondering lately if learning to fight was pointless..?
I'm sure this topic may have come up before but i'm new to the forums and i'd like some thoughts on this.

Many of the greatest martial artists have bodies that are built but very small and skinny and could beat many average people in a real life combat situation.

But if these martial artists were up against people that were very big that were really bulk and had tons of muscle and/or fat, would the martial artist not lose?
When it comes down to a real life situation, i think maybe the only thing that matters is size...regardless of martial art abilities or fighting abilities and tactics. If you are in a situation where you must hand to hand combat someone 3x or more larger then you, no matter what you did i believe the larger man will win...
A testical kick or punch may be done but what if he did that to you also? If you struck him in the testicals then he could strike you there too where you are both equally hurt and he could just endure the pain and sit on you or push you down or whatever with his large mass...

Any thoughts on this topic?

BTW: I DO NOT THINK MARTIAL ARTS ARE USELESS DO NOT GET ME WRONG

What is the alternative? Run? Yep, this is a very good self-defense technique.

The first principle in self-defense in not to learn how to fight, but how to avoid a fight in the first place.

Granted if you rely on physical techniques and strength (strength is a greater advantage to the stronger person) against a far lager or stronger person than there is a very good chance you will loose. A 140lb male (even if trained) will not beat a 240lb male (unless he has no arms, or is in a coma). I’m not saying there is no chance of a 140lber winning I’m just saying I am a bit skeptical that this could happen very often. That’s just the plain ol’ facts- you put ten 140 lbers up against ten 240lbers and maybe one of the 140lbers will when, and that’s a big maybe.

Ah… but there is a great equalizer, it’s called weapons! A good SD program will teach you about criminal assaults and how to avoid them. They will also teach you how to use verbal de-escalation, they should also teach you weapons.

Now, a 140lb male with a knife (and trained to use it) can beat a 240lb person! A 140lb person with a Glock can defeat multiple 240lb gentlemen with baseball bats.These are the tough facts. Self-defense training is still pertinent regardless of your stature.

[Uncle Corny]

i just threw up in my mouth, thanks to this idiotic thread.

[darrianation]

Wow. Sorry to hear it. Maybe you should check out the one about Tae Bo being the deadliest martial art ever. I'm sure your reaction to that would make you forget all about the puking in your mouth thing.

Finely someone who isn't afraid to admit that Tae-Bo is the most feared and deadly MA!

[Uncle Corny]

Wow. Sorry to hear it. Maybe you should check out the one about Tae Bo being the deadliest martial art ever. I'm sure your reaction to that would make you forget all about the puking in your mouth thing.

no. this thread is the idiot apex.

[Ronson]

"Is fighting pointless?" - No. This thread is pointless.

Next time you are "wondering lately," give if some real thought before you post a dumbass thread.

How old are you?

Damn why do retarded threads get such a high post count while the intelligent threads (Do you here that? It's me tooting my own horn .) get pathetic replies. Is that the measuring stick to go by in this forum?

[Ahoym8e]

It's a discussion forum. Pretend like you're in a live discussion, and if you don't have anything to contribute just shut up or start your own, more discussionworthy topic.

Whom else is he supposed to ask, his Mom?

[Hermosa]

Good Question

You know, I've come to have this question grip my brain in the middle of the night many times as well. I have searched for truth regarding this for many years...One of the roads that I took first was the road of "ever-more combat effective" styles and techniques. There was always some new evolution..something better and better theory or new science that would catapult me ahead of all the masses and make me "Fear no Man"..to borrow a catch phrase out of those TRS ads.

But I never felt any better..I never "Arrived".

The conclusion I finally came to is ...for me..The art you choose to study is irrellevent..what matters is your love of it..how much passion do you have, how much desire is in your heart to really take the physical movements of whatever discipline you study and turn them into living art.

I believe any art can work...but I also believe that when you love it and become an artist at it...you do it for the joy of the movement and you don't obsess about if you can use it on the big bully...or duck into the bathrooms in high school and practice your kicks real quick like I did!--just to make sure you can still do them in case you have to fight on lunch break.

HOWEVER..I also agree with Matt Thorton..the art, lies in the performance--but if you don't understand that already(I mean "you" in general, this isn't an attack on the thread starter)--then you probably didn't really have a passion for it it the first place.

No one has to tell Jean Jacques to not get too carried away in the art of jiu-jitsu, and make sure he can really perform..thats silly For Jean Jaques, the art and the performance are one.

Finally..continuing to use Jean Jaques as an example:
-I doubt JJ ever wonders if training is a worthwhile endeavor (are you kidding!, its better than food and shelter!)
-I doubt he ever thinks twice about whether or not he could really handle an altercation
-Even though he doesn't crosstrain, sticks to pure BJJ, and is primarily a sport fighter...does anyone else doubt that JJ Machado could defend himself?
-Lastly, it is my believe that the lessons learned on the mat have most likely given JJ Machado the most effective technique of all...learning that its not worth it, living a clean life, and going home to his hot wife and loving daughter.

[gracilva]

I've been wondering lately if learning to fight was pointless..?
I'm sure this topic may have come up before but i'm new to the forums and i'd like some thoughts on this.

Many of the greatest martial artists have bodies that are built but very small and skinny and could beat many average people in a real life combat situation.

But if these martial artists were up against people that were very big that were really bulk and had tons of muscle and/or fat, would the martial artist not lose?
When it comes down to a real life situation, i think maybe the only thing that matters is size...regardless of martial art abilities or fighting abilities and tactics. If you are in a situation where you must hand to hand combat someone 3x or more larger then you, no matter what you did i believe the larger man will win...
A testical kick or punch may be done but what if he did that to you also? If you struck him in the testicals then he could strike you there too where you are both equally hurt and he could just endure the pain and sit on you or push you down or whatever with his large mass...

Any thoughts on this topic?

BTW: I DO NOT THINK MARTIAL ARTS ARE USELESS DO NOT GET ME WRONG

You're right......might as well pull your pants down and bend over

[wardancer]

I have boxed with professionals and amateurs, Golden Glove people, Olympians, etc.

I have fought and beaten champion Thai Boxers in two countries.

I have sparred with the very best in the world - not just the US.

I have rolled with Gracies and Machados, won medals at submission tournaments, and taken shots from legends.

I will tell you this without reservation. The comments I made about Guro Dan are from my own experience. He's nothing short of awesome. He says the same about Bruce Lee. In fact, he says that in their prime, he could never touch Lee. Given the level of skill I've seen from Guro Dan, I'd say that qualifies as "capable."

MMA produces great athletes and great fighters. But don't be so caught up in it that you fail to give credit where it's due.

I did a search on google.
Guro Dan is Dan Inosanto.
Did he fought any MMA events?
Did he coach any fighter/team that fought in MMA events?
Have you fought in MMA events?

[sherwinc]

I've been wondering lately if learning to fight was pointless..?
I'm sure this topic may have come up before but i'm new to the forums and i'd like some thoughts on this.

Many of the greatest martial artists have bodies that are built but very small and skinny and could beat many average people in a real life combat situation.

But if these martial artists were up against people that were very big that were really bulk and had tons of muscle and/or fat, would the martial artist not lose?
When it comes down to a real life situation, i think maybe the only thing that matters is size...regardless of martial art abilities or fighting abilities and tactics. If you are in a situation where you must hand to hand combat someone 3x or more larger then you, no matter what you did i believe the larger man will win...
A testical kick or punch may be done but what if he did that to you also? If you struck him in the testicals then he could strike you there too where you are both equally hurt and he could just endure the pain and sit on you or push you down or whatever with his large mass...

Any thoughts on this topic?

BTW: I DO NOT THINK MARTIAL ARTS ARE USELESS DO NOT GET ME WRONG

to tell you frankly, if your opponent is 3x larger and 3x bigger than you, your opponent will surely win the fight if your opponent is a very aggresive fighter even thou he has less technique.......

why?????

cause if he has the height of 5 feet x 3 then your opponent is already 15 feet in height while 3x its mass compare to you.....

but if your opponent is not so aggresive, even thou he is 3x bigger to you, since you have the most superior technique compare to him, you will probably win.......

but if you and your opponent are of the same size, strength, power, speed..... he who is the most plenty of techniques learned will naturally win....

Note:
technique is superior if you and your opponent are of the same size, speed, power, etc.......

[Hermosa]

I did a search on google.
Guro Dan is Dan Inosanto.
Did he fought any MMA events?
Did he coach any fighter/team that fought in MMA events?
Have you fought in MMA events?

Guro Dan is one of Eric Paulson's main instructors. The two roll all the time...

Dan definately knows his MMA

[Uncle Corny]

to tell you frankly, if your opponent is 3x larger and 3x bigger than you, your opponent will surely win the fight if your opponent is a very aggresive fighter even thou he has less technique.......

why?????

cause if he has the height of 5 feet x 3 then your opponent is already 15 feet in height while 3x its mass compare to you.....

but if your opponent is not so aggresive, even thou he is 3x bigger to you, since you have the most superior technique compare to him, you will probably win.......

but if you and your opponent are of the same size, strength, power, speed..... he who is the most plenty of techniques learned will naturally win....

Note:
technique is superior if you and your opponent are of the same size, speed, power, etc.......

that's some powerful commentary.

[DJColdfusion]

First, NOBODY and I do mean NOBODY has the right to hack on Dan Inosanto. The guy is in his mid-sixties and still moves like death on wheels.

Dan Inosanto supported Ajarn Chai in the development of the TBA (the largest and oldest Muay Thai org in the USA and the only Muay Thai org recognized by the King of Thailand), Dan Inosanto brought Yori Nakamura to the USA (the first Shooto instructor in America), Dan Inosanto taught Erik Paulson, Greg Nelson (Sean Sherk's trainer) and tons of others. He has worked with champio after champion after champion and is one of the most humble and incredibly genuine people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting.

And if you think he's a bada$$ in BJJ or standup, just wait until he picks up a stick! \(*O*)/

Now that that's over.

Concerning the big guy VS little guy thing.

I am most likely the biggest guy on this forum (6'5" and roughly the weight of a silverback gorilla -- actually, I have the same wingspan of the silverback at our local zoo). So I think I am qualified to make an intelligent comment . . . ok, mabye it won't be all that intelligent, but here we go anyways.

If a smaller person and a larger person get into a scrap the outcome can be decided by size and inmost cases would be decided by size. However, the skill level (and secondary attributes - speed, endurance, intelligence) necessary for the smaller person must increase exponentially with an increase in size of his/her opponent.

[HuSanYan]

Size is merely one attribute. No more, no less. It stands out more than the others merely because it is the easiest attribute to see.

no shit sherlock

[Ahoym8e]

I am most likely the biggest guy on this forum (6'5" and roughly the weight of a silverback gorilla).

600lbs?





j/k