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  • #16
    Originally posted by SamuraiGuy
    Hey doing a ISU for school on whether or not strength or technique is more dominant in contact sports.. .any thing from football , too boxing, too grappling... rugby... whatever. So what do you think does strength always beat technique....


    You should read the first chapter of Kano's book. (Kodokan Judo) Superior technique will defeat superior strength. No question. When players of equal skill meet the player with the better tactics will win.

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    • #17
      Yeah ill look into that book... thanks.

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      • #18
        Samuriguy: Forgot the name, its Keith Hackney and it was UFC 3. Here is a link to Hacney's site

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        • #19
          Thanks for that helps alot.... but heres another question... what about the opponent your facing... I mean... would you rather have the same amount of strength as your opponent.. or the same amount of technique... hard to explain what im trying to get at... basically how does the opponent effect strength and technique in contact sports.

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          • #20
            I* know i already said thanks but this Keith Hackeny thing is exactly the type of stuff im looking for ... thanks a ton man.

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            • #21
              Hmm assuming a combat sport, there are alot of variable, strength, flexability, skill, determination, weight, height, endurance etc. If you look at the early UFC (sorry to use these references but they really were the best fights) with Royce Gracie sv Ken Shamrock Ken out powered and weighted Royce. Though both had good grappling skill Royce was superior. The fight came down to endurance Ken made a mistake Royce capitolized and it was the same story for every fight. Utimately, I think the strength/technique effect your strategy. I wrestled guys that were chiseled and though I was strong, were definatley my superior in strength especially when I wrestled HWT (I was 175), But I was fast so I used that to my avantage.

              Not sure if that helps but I tried

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              • #22
                Strength can beat technique, and technique can beat strength. It's all of how you go about it. I've seen a freestyle wrestler who was fighting in NHB against an excellent submission wrestler and who was caught in a triangle choke. He was almost choked out when he planted his feet, simply picked his opponent up, and slammed the shit out of him, breaking free the hold. He then got him in side mount and just kept palm-striking his face until the sub wrestler's nose broke. Then you can take Gracie who was a little guy yet overcame stronger opponents. It all really depends on the fighter, not the fight.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by SamuraiGuy
                  would you rather have the same amount of strength as your opponent.. or the same amount of technique...
                  If strength is equal, then technique will be a determining factor. A small difference in technique could change the outcome.

                  If technique is equal, then strength is the determining factor.

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                  • #24
                    I think it depends on the difference in strenght. note: ill do strength and skillr atings out of 5 for these examples
                    A)if person 1 has 3 strength and 5 skill and person 2 has 4 strength and 3 skill then person 1 would probably win.
                    B)but if it was like person1 strength=2 skill=4 and person 2 is strength=5 and skill=2 then theres a good chance person 2 would win.
                    C) if they both have about the same skill, then the stronger person has the advantage.

                    has anyone seen the ernesto hoost vs bob sapp fights? thats a good example of B) ernesto hoost was clearly more skilled but bob sapp's gorilla style bashing with his insane strength took care of that. Royce Gracie is a good example of A). for C) i cant think of any fights right now but i remember someone saying that genki sudo is very skilled at grappling and ok at striking so he could take on bigger people with bad grappling, but if tried vs a bigger person who is also very good at grappling then he would probably lose.

                    That was a kind of messed up post, so i wont doubt that some of you wont understand it

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                    • #25
                      One of the main principles of Judo is maximum effect with minimum effort. The emphasis is on technique. In keeping with that theme...

                      AITE-NO-TSUKURI (set up or transition to superior position)
                      Conditioning of your opponent or partner. This is the preparing or setting up of your opponent in order to execute your technique so that it is most effective. Once you have got him in the most advantageous position for you, you then execute your technique.

                      "There are many possible combinations and many variations in their application
                      (in some cases the initial attack is merely a feint) but the principle remains
                      the same, i.e. to utilize the opponent's reaction to one attack to unbalance him
                      and leave him vulnerable to attack by another technique." --Teizo Kawamura, Judo
                      Combination Techniques

                      From article "Different Chokes for Different Folks"...

                      "Medical tests have established that the amount of pressure needed to occlude the arteries is six times less than the pressure needed to collapse the airway".

                      Add a quote by Don Rearic "It does not really matter how much of a bodybuilder you are or how tough you are. You cannot grow muscle over the trachea and you cannot survive with a crushed trachea".

                      And ; 'Tis is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
                      -Charles Darwin

                      Consider the typical "stiff arm" defense against a rushing opponent. In basket ball it's automatically a foul but in football it's a thing of beauty...Seems like Ali used it once or twice?

                      Just rambling....? Strength and skill can be defeated two ways, better tactics and better weapons. If your game plan ain't working then you need to adapt. Or change the rules?

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                      • #26
                        good post tant01.
                        Somewhere, and I think it was on this forum I read that for every 20lbs that you're outweighed, it is equivalent to another belt level. I'm not sure if that's true but it would surely help. Jack Dempsey said that you should never spar someone that outweighs you by more than 20lbs, and if your a heavyweight, to try and limit it to a 35lb weight disadvantage. Technique definitely helps when fighting but a strike is still a strike. The weight of your punches are affected by gravity and the weight of the person throwing them. an example of the point I'm trying to make.
                        if you weigh 100lbs and need to hit a 200lb person, you have to have a good enough technique to put double your bodyweight into your punch. But if you weigh 200lbs and are fighting a 100lb person, you dont even need to be able to do a pushup to KO. 1/2 of the strength of one arm would be enough to put him out.
                        Strength is not the same as weight. Two people that weigh the same, one with the techniques of a 10th degree BB but not strong, the other with no technique but just strenght (resistance of force) I believe the man with the better (not more) technique will win. hope that makes since...it's pretty late at night.

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                        • #27
                          Hey the bob Sapp.. vs Ernesto Hoost was a great example.. thanks for that... im still wondering what I should do for the opponents sub topic...
                          1. compare what would be better against like... a big strength opponent.. .or a big technique? ... any thoughts or ideas on that would be good.. and these examples ive been getting have been great.

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                          • #28
                            kick em in the nuts

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                            • #29
                              Works everytime......

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                              • #30
                                have u guys seen bob sap vs mirko ? mirko made short work of bob sap and droped him with a left hook, left kick combo in the 1st round. bobs brute strength and incredible size/weight advantage didnt do anything for him in that match.

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