Throwing in BJJ

[rambo]

How often do you practice throws and takedowns in your BJJ class?
I´ve been training for nineteen months, three times a week,but had very little takedown or throwing practice. It´s almost just groundwork. Has your experience been similar?

[Tant01]

No, the local Gjj academy here in Northern Ca. (USA) teaches basic takedowns and defenses against them as well as hip throws, shoulder throws and sweeps... Nothing too fancy.

[Tom Yum]

I am not currently active in BJJ, but have trained in it for some time.

My experience has been you learn stand up BJJ as part of the self-defense cirriculum, but spend the rest of the time perfecting ground mobility, position and submissions.

The standup aspects involved learning how to set up takedowns against a striker such as a boxer or karate style kicker and how to escape certain holds. Alot of the time was spent working from the ground, getting advantegous position whether in the guard, pulling guard, half-guard, side mount or cross body, full mount and rear mount.

From there, the subs were easy to execute.

I think BJJ is a wonderful art to know. I have previous experience in traditional HKD, which is a very crude approximation of a grappling art. The stand up work in HKD uses the same theory of BJJ in that you need to move yourself to get good position if you want to execute a standing finishing hold, however the finishing work on the ground involved striking, luck and subs and did not really teach position/mobility.

Modern combat style HKD probably integrates alot of BJJ.

[Ahoym8e]

I train in Houston and we practive takedowns almost every class, right after our warmup. If we're close to a tournament all our training starts standing up.

Otherwise we practice takedowns for 5 or 10 minutes and then move to the ground to work new positions. Training then starts form the knees.

[wardancer]

How often do you practice throws and takedowns in your BJJ class?
I´ve been training for nineteen months, three times a week,but had very little takedown or throwing practice. It´s almost just groundwork. Has your experience been similar?

same but takedowns is taught mostly before the competition.
I still use them in the everyday BJJ class when someone stands up during rollling.
If you are keen on throws, I would suggest you jouned a Judo club: many BJJ players have their Judo BB e.g Rickson, Renzo etc..

[pstevens]

How often do you practice throws and takedowns in your BJJ class?
I´ve been training for nineteen months, three times a week,but had very little takedown or throwing practice. It´s almost just groundwork. Has your experience been similar?

I had the same experience... My first 2 years, I learned one throw (hip throw) from BJJ. All my takedowns, leg locks, clinch techniques, and shoot skills, I learned through judo, wrestling and MMA. My original BJJ coach was a blue belt, so I don't blame him for not knowing all these things.

The reason I left was that he revealed a certain truth to me that shocked the heck outta me! He said this, in so many words: "I've been training BJJ for 5 years. In those years, most of my training has been from knees and I've competed very infrequently. I think if I were to get into an MMA event, I'd get my ass handed to me, because I have no clue about striking, shooting, or any advanced clinch techniques."

Since training with wrestlers and judoka, my takedowns and clinch have improved greatly. I still do BJJ though... Can't let go of that.

[wardancer]

I had the same experience... My first 2 years, I learned one throw (hip throw) from BJJ. All my takedowns, leg locks, clinch techniques, and shoot skills, I learned through judo, wrestling and MMA. My original BJJ coach was a blue belt, so I don't blame him for not knowing all these things.

The reason I left was that he revealed a certain truth to me that shocked the heck outta me! He said this, in so many words: "I've been training BJJ for 5 years. In those years, most of my training has been from knees and I've competed very infrequently. I think if I were to get into an MMA event, I'd get my ass handed to me, because I have no clue about striking, shooting, or any advanced clinch techniques."

Since training with wrestlers and judoka, my takedowns and clinch have improved greatly. I still do BJJ though... Can't let go of that.

Well, I think we have been down that road already.
BJJ is not MMA/valetudo.
and the assumption that all BJJ players fight vale tudo is wrong.
Actually, I think one of ten brazilians BJJ BB actually fought in MMA/valetudo.
Blue belt should not teach as an instructor, it is very bad and I know it is hard to get good quality BJJ instructor.
I hope you got closer to the source so to speak.

[EmptyneSs]

my bjj school trains us in judo throws as well as wrestling takedowns.

[Tant01]

...My first 2 years, I learned one throw (hip throw) from BJJ. All my takedowns, leg locks, clinch techniques, and shoot skills, I learned through judo, wrestling and MMA. My original BJJ coach was a blue belt, so I don't blame him for not knowing all these things.

The reason I left was that he revealed a certain truth to me that shocked the heck outta me! He said this, in so many words: "I've been training BJJ for 5 years. In those years, most of my training has been from knees and I've competed very infrequently. I think if I were to get into an MMA event, I'd get my ass handed to me, because I have no clue about striking, shooting, or any advanced clinch techniques."

Since training with wrestlers and judoka, my takedowns and clinch have improved greatly. I still do BJJ though... Can't let go of that.

This blue belt... was he charging you money for those first two years of GJJ/BJJ lessons? Thanks.

[SweepEm]

I train with Rey Diogo here in Los Angeles.

Many would characterize our school as a traditional BJJ school.

But what many on the outside looking in don't know is that we will have classes with guest instructors, where guys come in to teach their specialities.

We've recently had a class with a Judo National Champion, a knife fighting instructor and a Golden Gloves boxer.

Our classes are not routine and is constantly changed so there's no boredom and always something new.

Rey has so many friends that stop by, we get a lot of different insructors.

Last week during the BJJ Pan Ams, we had 5 BJJ black belts teaching class;
Rey Diogo
Andre Alemao
Marcelo Alonso
Gustavo Gussem
Pedro Ivanna

We would be considered a small school compared to most BJJ schools in LA, but I believe we have some of the best instruction.
There are the big names here in LA, yet we seem to attract guys that have trained there but leave, and find us, wanting better instruction.

I know most of the forum membes on here are not in LA, but if you do come to LA to visit, I believe our school is a place you need to drop by and train...

[Tant01]

I have inlaws (some are "outlaws") in Twentynine Palms. PM an address or something?
Thanks.


Raymond G.

[pstevens]

This blue belt... was he charging you money for those first two years of GJJ/BJJ lessons? Thanks.

This "blue belt," was actually a good guy, whom I will not name... He didn't charge anyone, as this was basically a training session between various martial artist. By now, I'm sure he's a purple or even Brown Belt, as he was very proficient in sport BJJ.

I'm not saying he was a bad fighter... He could kick my ass. I think he was eluding to what Wardancer stated... That BJJ will not automatically make you a into a fighter, but it has elements that can help you defend yourself.

As far as the "Source" goes... I think it's over-exaggerated. The Gracies created BJJ, but it has moved beyond them as well. Sure, they're still competitive, but there are BJJ guys outside their circle that are equally good. I think Roy Harris summed it up best. The BJJ that Helio taught is not the same as the BJJ today. Today, there are more influences from sambo, MT, Judo, boxing, etc...

[Tant01]

This "blue belt," was actually a good guy, whom I will not name... He didn't charge anyone, as this was basically a training session between various martial artist. By now, I'm sure he's a purple or even Brown Belt, as he was very proficient in sport BJJ.

I'm not saying he was a bad fighter... He could kick my ass. I think he was eluding to what Wardancer stated... That BJJ will not automatically make you a into a fighter, but it has elements that can help you defend yourself.

...

Fair enough, it seemed odd that relative novice could assume teaching anyone but if he was just putting some FUN in the fundamentals, it's ALL GOOD.

[mixwell]

I train in Houston and we practive takedowns almost every class, right after our warmup. If we're close to a tournament all our training starts standing up.

Otherwise we practice takedowns for 5 or 10 minutes and then move to the ground to work new positions. Training then starts form the knees.

Same here.. After the warmup we practice a few takedowns, usually learn a new technique or escape or whatever then we practice that for a little bit and then we roll (starting from the knees) I have only been going 2 weeks now but its soo much fun !! The first week I went like 6 times !! Usually I go about 4 now but its exciting thinking about what new technique I am going to learn that day..

[wardancer]

Fair enough, it seemed odd that relative novice could assume teaching anyone but if he was just putting some FUN in the fundamentals, it's ALL GOOD.

A BJJ Blue belt is good and unlike others other TMA, to get blue in BJJ is an achievement.
The money issue is real: renting or using any type of infrastructure cost money especially the mats.
Anyone should charge for at least the usage of the room/facilities.
Some dudes always expect to get a free ride.