Bas rutten's challenge to rickson

[crazyjoe380]

The truth of the matter is this: The Gracies left the scene just in time, because they would have been run over by MMA. Seriously, they got more than they bargained for. The BJJ revolution came and went, then MMA came and it changed everything. Now, we're back at square one... Everyone knows the ground game, so the best striker, or pure fighter wins.

I'm not taking anything away from the Gracies, I'm just saying they realize the Jack is outta the box. As I recall, Royce was supposed to fight Mark Kerr... Next thing you know, Royce goes into the hospital for some unidentified ailment. Then, the Japanese tell Rickson to fight Coleman or Kerr and Rickson chooses to fight Takada again. Can anyone guess why?

These are strategic moves to maintain the Gracie mystic. The only Gracie who continually competes is Royler and he's found out that other people have come a long way in a short time.

Yo player. are you ok? your statement sounds SILLY then a muthafu.cka... If it wasn't for the gracies there would be no mma..

IN MMA:

IF YOU HAVE NO GROUND GAME YOU CAN'T WIN..PERIOD..

IF YOU HAVE NO TOP GAME YOU WILL GET KNOCKED OUT..


BUT BJJ IS THE BASE STYLE OF THE MMA..

NO JIU JITSU NO MMA..

IT WOULD BE K1.. BASICALLY...


i aint defending the gracies.. just tellin the truth..

[wardancer]

I'm not trying to diss Rickson or anything, but I think you got a point.. I know people were'nt as skilled back then, but they only REALLY good fighter I can name that Rickson fought was Zulu..

I'm not so sure if Rickson was really afraid of Bas [hell I know I would] but I would like to hear Ricksons side of the story. The only problem with that is he does'nt speak about it or anything...

I downloaeded the Zulu fight: not much in it really.
The problem I have with Bas is in his past in Pancrase (hum not credible).

[wardancer]

dude...

rickson is a great fighter
bas is a great fighter

he should have given bas the chance...he deserved it more than anyone else. 2 legends fighting each other...that would have been a great fight, (actually it probably would have ended with some cut in the first round and dissappointed us all).

Wait a minute..
where is Bas now?
Is he still fighting into any MMA event like UFC or Pride?
What was his age when he fought last in MMA?

[OneDragons]

Yo player. are you ok? your statement sounds SILLY then a muthafu.cka... If it wasn't for the gracies there would be no mma..

IN MMA:

IF YOU HAVE NO GROUND GAME YOU CAN'T WIN..PERIOD..

IF YOU HAVE NO TOP GAME YOU WILL GET KNOCKED OUT..


BUT BJJ IS THE BASE STYLE OF THE MMA..

NO JIU JITSU NO MMA..

IT WOULD BE K1.. BASICALLY...


i aint defending the gracies.. just tellin the truth..

Your both saying roughly the same thing from a different viewpoint only crazy jo doesnt realise it and goes for abuse instead
The Gracies may well of started MMA, but they no longer have a monopoly of it. It has grown much much bigger than the Gracies and/or BJJ and become its own animal.
You can 'remind' peps all you want sounding like a broken record or admit that MMA has moved on. Yes BJJ style grappling is still a major part of the game but several people have caught up to the Gracies skill wise...sudenly there are other big fish in the sea.
Now we are seeing striking coming back into its own (once properly mixed with a solid ground and takedown game).

[wardancer]

Yo player. are you ok? your statement sounds SILLY then a muthafu.cka... If it wasn't for the gracies there would be no mma..

IN MMA:

IF YOU HAVE NO GROUND GAME YOU CAN'T WIN..PERIOD..

IF YOU HAVE NO TOP GAME YOU WILL GET KNOCKED OUT..


BUT BJJ IS THE BASE STYLE OF THE MMA..

NO JIU JITSU NO MMA..

IT WOULD BE K1.. BASICALLY...


i aint defending the gracies.. just tellin the truth..

Do not bother!
Pstevens has lost faith in Gracie JJ long ago.
No one can change his mind.
Rickson was feared in Brazil and only once he left to the USA the Luta livre faction decided to throw another challenge to the Gracie Clan by fighting with the Carlson Team. Some members are known now as the BTT.
But I cannot compare it to the most recent MMA events however.
Even Bas with his Pancrase background does not make make a genuine pedigree for MMA to my eyes.

[Mako Victim]

The problem I have with Bas is in his past in Pancrase (hum not credible).

Okay................................ Well, I've seen all of Bas's fights and to say he's not credible I think is just supid.. He's the first person I've seen KO somebody from a kick to the body.... And if he's really not so credible then why would'nt Rickson fight him????

[wardancer]

Nothing personal, Pancrase is my problem!
It is known for its fixed matches.
Maybe I got it wrong?

[Mako Victim]

I can tell ya for sure none of Bas's fights were fixed. Not only did he become the king of pancrase, but after that he went to the UFC and became the undefeated champion there... So there's almost no way his pancrase fights were fixed.....

Not to mention Rickson didn't even want to fight Bas.... Bas was a real fighter, nothing fake about him..

[wardancer]

Your both saying roughly the same thing from a different viewpoint only crazy jo doesnt realise it and goes for abuse instead
The Gracies may well of started MMA, but they no longer have a monopoly of it. It has grown much much bigger than the Gracies and/or BJJ and become its own animal.
You can 'remind' peps all you want sounding like a broken record or admit that MMA has moved on. Yes BJJ style grappling is still a major part of the game but several people have caught up to the Gracies skill wise...sudenly there are other big fish in the sea.
Now we are seeing striking coming back into its own (once properly mixed with a solid ground and takedown game).

BJJ is still a major part of the skills used in MMA by most fighters used as an attack or defense skills.

[Mako Victim]

Dude, that's pretty much what he just said.. It's still a big part but everyones been watching and learning from what the Gracies did. And know it's almost a must have for MMA.

[pstevens]

Puahahaha... People get so sensitive when you talk about Gracie, or Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. My point was simply that MMA has moved beyond one style into a combination of useful tactics, principles, etc...

Everyone keeps insisting that if not for the Gracies, then we wouldn't be here... If not for Kano, if not for Shaolin, if not for India prankration, etc... I don't give a flying fauck, MMA is here now!

I have a blue belt in BJJ and that's great because I love rolling. For the noise BJJ people were making, it's become just another sport. We got white belts who think they're baddies, untouchable... Here's a clue, BJJ is not MMA, NHB or fighting... It's mostly sport, but has martial applications in the right conditions. Also, while some people are religiously following "new" techniques from Brazil, we got tons of BJJ evolution going on right here. "Yes," other people besides Brazilians can come up with innovative techniques too!

[Sensei Saki]

We have never talked about it before.Humans are not always infallible.Do robots have point was simply that MMA has moved beyond one style into a combination of useful tactics principles etc?That's a rather sweeping generalization.I'm not too good with negative counterfactuals.Oh.
Tell me what you care about.
How much did it cost?Your purpose is the noise BJJ people were making it is become just another sport.Do you mean you and me have?What is Here's a clue BJJ?
You're kidding.
mostly sport but has martial applications in the right conditions is?Good point.Yay. Which others? Humans are not always infallible.

[zhorner]

We have never talked about it before.Humans are not always infallible.Do robots have point was simply that MMA has moved beyond one style into a combination of useful tactics principles etc?That's a rather sweeping generalization.I'm not too good with negative counterfactuals.Oh.
Tell me what you care about.
How much did it cost?Your purpose is the noise BJJ people were making it is become just another sport.Do you mean you and me have?What is Here's a clue BJJ?
You're kidding.
mostly sport but has martial applications in the right conditions is?Good point.Yay. Which others? Humans are not always infallible.

shut your fucking mouth saki

[electrorok]

We have never talked about it before.Humans are not always infallible.Do robots have point was simply that MMA has moved beyond one style into a combination of useful tactics principles etc?That's a rather sweeping generalization.I'm not too good with negative counterfactuals.Oh.
Tell me what you care about.
How much did it cost?Your purpose is the noise BJJ people were making it is become just another sport.Do you mean you and me have?What is Here's a clue BJJ?
You're kidding.
mostly sport but has martial applications in the right conditions is?Good point.Yay. Which others? Humans are not always infallible.

Had you been drinking when you wrote this??

[DimMak]

Bas weighs around 220...Rickson weighs 185...
Since Bas issued the challenge I would guess that he would be the one who drops weight, correct?