Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie

[Tap-r-Snap]

Cain and Abel were Japanese?

"And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him" Genesis 32:24-32

The bible says wrestling was the martial art of men of the times, not JJ.

here is where scripture was quoted to try and prove a point for the first time in this thread. I suggest you read the entire thread instead of picking apart a few posts and getting angry.....

Acts 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

[Tom Yum]

here is where scripture was quoted to try and prove a point for the first time in this thread. I suggest you read the entire thread instead of picking apart a few posts and getting angry.....

Acts 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

What is your reference, trs?

[Tant01]

Ignoramus

The roots of Kosen Judo lies in two schools of Jujitsu: The Fusen-Ryu Jujutsu and, not surprisingly, Jigoro Kano´s own Ryu (school) which was named Judo and spread worldwide.
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And THEN JUDO WENT TO BRAZIL.... What a log...

[Tant01]

Kosen JUDO is alive and well in Japan!

.....Much to Kano´s surprise, they did not attempt throwing techniques, but rather went straight to the ground, and applied newaza submissions (such) as arm-locks, leg-locks, pins, and chokes. Kano being very open-minded, ...persuaded Tanabe to teach kodokan students the concepts of his ryu´s strategy.... The newaza component however became a major part of judo influencing its development greatly. .....

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In fact the NEWAZA became such a dominating force in JUDO competition that Kano later revised the RULES (in 1925) for competition to encourage tachiwaza. (throws) BJJ is a well preserved example old school (pre war) Judo.

[Tant01]

fundamental...

Did You Know? (repost)

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Originally Posted by Tap-r-Snap
..i dont like seeing ignorant swine such as yourself, influencing good people out there that seek to know the truth.

its not my fault you have probably spent the last 4 years training Judo, ...wasting your time.

You wanna know how to defend yourself? Train BJJ


DID YOU KNOW that tapping out as a form of submission came from JUDO?


Kano Jiu-Jitsu (JUDO) Contest Rules
The Original Kodokan Judo Tournament Rules
... *Circa 1905

...4. A contestant shall be deemed to have been defeated when from any cause or causes he may become unconscious. But it is not permitted to use serious tricks when the wrestling bout is between friends. Such tricks as kicking and the breaking of arms, legs, and neck are barred.

(there's where the "dangerous" techniques went)

5. A combatant shall be deemed to have been defeated when he has been reduced to submission through the employment by his opponent of any hold or trick.

6. When a defeated combatant finds himself obliged to acknowledge his submission, he must pat or hit the floor or his antagonist's body, or somewhere, with his hand or foot. This patting with foot or hand is to be regarded as a token of surrender.

7. When a defeated combatant pats or hits the floor, or anywhere, in token of submission, the victor must at once let go his hold....


HEY, you play that! IT'S the gentle way... True sportsman like conduct, eh?

The rest, as they say, is history...

[Tap-r-Snap]

hahahahah heres some more !!

Mitsuyo Maeda (1878-1941) was a martial arts prodigy who eventually became one of the greatest fighters in the history of Judo. Maeda originally practiced classical styles of Jiu Jitsu, eventually entering the Kodokan to study Judo. After remaining undefeated in Judo tournament competition, Kano sent Maeda to the U.S.A. in 1904 to spread the message of Kodokan Judo. Over the course of his career, Maeda fought in literally hundreds of matches, grappling with and without the gi, and fighting in "mixed" matches (that included striking and kicking, commonly referred to as "no-holds-barred" fights). During his travels, Maeda fought in the United States, Great Britain, continental Europe, Cuba, Mexico and finally Brazil. Throughout his career as a professional fighter, after engaging in over 1,000 free fights, Maeda retired without ever losing a match. The culmination of Maeda's training in classical Jiu Jitsu and especially Judo, tempered by his extensive combat experience against all types of challengers, resulted in a realistic, street effective method of fighting.

[Tant01]

We know who he was...

hahahahah heres some more !!

Mitsuyo Maeda (1878-1941) was a martial arts prodigy who eventually became one of the greatest fighters in the history of Judo....After remaining undefeated in Judo tournament competition, Kano sent Maeda to the U.S.A. in 1904 to spread the message of Kodokan Judo. blah, blah, blah....

Done yet?

[IPON]

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fight/judo/kano.html

I think some people need read and interpret history as well as find and understanding of "gentle" and Ju and the distinction between styles.

I thought this artlcle was interesting, don't agree with everything but it does give a perspective.

[IPON]

spoken like a true dullard.
im 6'1 200lbs and i can only put up 280 on the bench press, does that mean your daddy is tougher than my daddy? what? does that mean his schwanze is bigger? actually all that means is that his is likey to be able to execute a pushup with a sumo wrestler on his back. Nothing more. Lifting mass weight means ti-ti . Technique is everything.

"Minimal effort for maximum efficiency."- Helio Gracie

Well I have to agree in part. Strength is very important, but muscular endurance is more important for cambat sport. If it were only an issue of stregth Tank Abott would be have been a champion as his bench is >450lbs (I think closer to 500)

[Tom Yum]

More important than bulk strength is applied strength (or speed strength). Agreed that muscular endurance is important too, atleast in a combat sports match.

Frank Shamrock, Mike Tyson etc.

If we're going to list attributes how about timing, experience and focus?

[Tant01]

Quote/ IPON>>>I thought this artlcle was interesting, don't agree with everything but it does give a perspective.


Coach Tripp knows his Judo. But then he's only been at it some 40 odd years...

[SamuraiGuy]

Holy shit does this thread make me sad after page 6....

Man, STOP BITCHING... Judo , Jiu Jitsu, JU Jutsu... w/e the **** yo uwant to call it.. holy crap.... does it really matter where it came from?... It was all stolen from caveman fighting anyway right?...

(now im gonna get an argument from Tap-R-Snap, or Omoplata, that a gracie from mars created Jiu Jitsu before the world was made, therefore caveman is Jiu jitsu)

What is this thread about Royce Gracie vs Matt hughes.. I started wanting Hughes to win, then thought Royce had a chance, NOW I HOPE TO HOLY HELL.. that Hughes slams royce into the ground and mashes his face... just so I can finally see Omoplata get off the Gracies nuts.

Why do you people have to argue about the NAME , (ITS A FUCKING NAME) of the style which BJJ derived from... holy shit... dont see this shit in boxing or wrestling...

I do BJJ... and this thread makes me question the people who do it... seems like the majority of BJJ people such as Omoplata, and Tap-or-snap, CANT for the life of them admit there might be something worthwhile than BJJ...

They give no chance to Hughes and say Royce is gonna own him... in any thread I read about BJJ omoplata is touting the gracies invincible BJJ... guys .. THERES OTHER QUALITY SHIT OUT THERE...

I betcha if I posed.. Rickson vs God.. I'd get a "rickson by armbar" from a bunch of you.

I dont mean to rant and shit... but open your fucking eyes.

*Goes and listens to a country boy can survive*

[IPON]

More important than bulk strength is applied strength (or speed strength). Agreed that muscular endurance is important too, atleast in a combat sports match.

Frank Shamrock, Mike Tyson etc.

If we're going to list attributes how about timing, experience and focus?

I think that they are all important factors. Exeperience is interesting an needed but I think less important than heart, focus speed and timing and hopefully some technique at least that is what we are seeing more of in ufc matches

[Tom Yum]

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[IPON]

I betcha if I posed.. Rickson vs God.. I'd get a "rickson by armbar" from a bunch of you.

Actually, since God started all and by default MA, I think the response would be that Helio improved on God's technique and God Challenged Rickson but then Rickson said God had not fought in a few millenium and even though they are both undefeated Rikson record is better. I think then there was n argument over which plane of existance the fight would take place, Rickson wants money, technically God does not have revenue (but could create it) so yeah its crazy


Just train hard!!!!!!!!!!