what is the most important mma skill to have if you could only pick one

[SamuraiGuy]

My Clinch Question Was Never Answered, Graaaaaaaaaaarhhhhhhh Angry Face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[medic06]

Sorry, I just had to register to correct something here. The statement about it taking 5 minutes to kill someone with a choke is total bullshit. It takes a lot less time than that. I knew a guy who killed someone and went to prison for manslaughter because he held a guillotine choke on a bit too long.

Chokes are extremely dangerous, and you should always be very careful when using them. A good RNC or guillotine will render someone unconsious in seconds and will certainly kill them if held on any longer.

Dont listen to this BS about it taking 5 minutes to kill someone.

Really? then how come in 100 years of Judo competition there has never been ONE CASE of a death due to choke.

A choke normally kills if improperly applied, as in across the trachea. Damage to the trachea causes the death, not lack of oxygen to the brain.

If I run into a neurologist or neurosurgeon tonight, I'll ask them how long, but every piece of medical literature I've ever found points to 3-5 minutes before brain damage.

[medic06]

Yes, I have been in healthcare for 7 years, off and on for much longer than that (check out the moniker ). What are your credentials? I say 3-5 minutes to give you the benefit of the doubt, most medical litereature says about 5 minutes. I've looked up on the internet and the instances studied of death have been from chokes which have caused additional subsequent trauma to the larynx and surrounding anatomy. In most cases death occurred way after the choke was applied. 20 - 40 seconds won't do it, period. I've been at a Judo tournament were a choke was applied for greater than 30 seconds, and the guy came around in less than a minute with no ill effects (the guy choking was on the bottom of a pin, he actually lost since the other guy didn't tap)

Here is a good article on the topic.

http://www.judoinfo.com/chokes5.htm

[medic06]

No, when properly applied chokes are very effective and safe indeed. Judoka have been using them since 1882 and no one has died yet.

[medic06]

Who's talking about streetfighting? We are in the MMA forum!!!

[Blue Wave Gym]

My Clinch Question Was Never Answered, Graaaaaaaaaaarhhhhhhh Angry Face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry I haven't ben online since yesterday,
yes it includes thai, greco and any other type of clinch skills you can think of.

[medic06]

I'm talking about street fighting as that is when you will likely end up holding the choke on too long and killing someone. You fucking clueless drooling prick. Go train in a decent art and learn how to fight. Faggot!

If you have to hold the choke for more the 12 seconds you are dong it wrong. LOL

[medic06]

Sorry I haven't ben online since yesterday,
yes it includes thai, greco and any other type of clinch skills you can think of.

Oh, how about good setup skills. You know "position before submission"

[medic06]

Yeah cos in a real fight you know exactly when 12 seconds is up don't you? Moron! If you are in a real fight you may be in a position where you are pinned to the ground but still have a choke applied. In this situation you may hold it on too long and kill someone.

What art do you do Medic? You haven't answered yet? What's your grappling experience?

Whose talking real fights!!! You are in a MMA forum!!!! Your opponent is suppose to tap when you get an armbar or choke!!!!! If you hold a choke on long after they have passed out you are simply being malicious!!!! If you don't know how long to hold a choke then you need more training!!!!

Do you even understand why the RNC or Hadaka Jime is near impossible to counter?

Yes, I study grappling too. I really like Judo and Jujitus, in all it's forms.

[medic06]

You are not much of a fighter if I can goad you into a cussin fit of rage over the internet

[jubaji]

What's your grappling experience medic you fucking shit talking mouth boxer? I have 3 years sub grappling and 5 years kickboxing. What do you do asside from make shit up and talk bullshit online?

Wow. Somebody's tense.

[medic06]

I think I've ruffled his feathers. He's talking about killing people with chokes. I think he's watched too many Chuck Norris movies.

[jubaji]

eh mate? innit guvnur?

I'm not feeling any rage. I just enjoy insulting you

MMA is highly applicable to street fights so I think it's perfectly valid. The reason many people do MMA is to be able to defend themselves in a street fight. Stop with the faggoty "MMA is just a sport" bollocks.

I have tapped people out with guillotines and RNCs countless times. I think I know how to use them. Stop being a pedantic faggot and learn to fight. And no, faggy japanese jujitsu is not effective grappling mate.

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[jubaji]

I think I've ruffled his feathers. He's talking about killing people with chokes. I think he's watched too many Chuck Norris movies.

I think he is part of nutter et. al.

[SamuraiGuy]

SamuraiGuy, imo the Thai clinch is useful for knees etc but it's a bit too vertical and in Muay Thai getting taken down isn't as big a problem as in MMA (assuming that you intend not to got to the ground) and so the fighters are more suseptible to take downs. The most important thing about having a good clinch from what I can tell is the ability to get the takedown/throw. That said, my takedowns are crap. Whenever I clinch and try and knee in mma, I get taken down quite quickly. And in sub grappling I end up just pulling guard.

LMAO you tried to answer my question but missed the whole point...

Thanks BlueWave for actually answering it.

With that said, Clinch to the fucking max, look at all the other options, good armbars, a goodshot, good hands...

Clearly the clinch has got to be the best for this thing as its not just one or a few techniques, shot, armlocks, leg locks...

Its a whole range of fighting..

Striking, Clinch, and Ground fighting.... a whole range... jeez..

It's so blatantly obvious that this is what you need for MMA, you get all the striking from the clinch... and you get all the throws, trips, submissions, etc from the clinch as bonus.

The shot may be a good technique, but its not the shot, the single leg, high crotch, sprawl, etc... its just the shot in this poll....

IMO the clinch shouldnt even be in a poll like this.. it should be in a poll like.. whats the best base "clinch work (standing grappling basically) ? ground grappling? or striking?"

Something like.. "knees from the clinch" fits this poll.