But what Samurai is sayin is that no matter how much heart Royce had, he would have been outclassed. Heart would have done him some good, but he would inevitably lose.
			
		
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Originally posted by RealaI agree, but what I mean is that he could have ended up not looking like a disapointment, he could have given Matt a run for his money if he had really wanted to win it... But I agree, it was always Matts fight.
I think that's where the diff of opinion comes in... you and some others think Royce could have been neck and neck with Matt... Samurai, me, and other people think he never had a shot.
It's all opinion.
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Originally posted by J-LuckI think that's where the diff of opinion comes in... you and some others think Royce could have been neck and neck with Matt... Samurai, me, and other people think he never had a shot.
It's all opinion.
Doesnt matter. NO ONE here predicted Matt would totally own Royce like he did. At best the predictions were that Matt could hold down against the fance and GNP him. Nobody anywhere in the world thought Matt could get side control, mount and then take Royces back and pound him into ref stoppage. The odds against that must have been 29857458927385-1
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Check my posts... and I'm not the only one WHO THOUGHT IT MONTHS BEFORE... my friends in MMA did too. I said the whole time a wrestler of his caliber would have no issue dominating the ground game on Royce... it was common sense to me. And check my posts.... I did say it... actually, that's the reason we STARTED our little feud of wrestling v BJJ, you said he couldnt win on the ground... lol so don't say no one said it, I was screaming it lol.Originally posted by OmaPlataDoesnt matter. NO ONE here predicted Matt would totally own Royce like he did. At best the predictions were that Matt could hold down against the fance and GNP him. Nobody anywhere in the world thought Matt could get side control, mount and then take Royces back and pound him into ref stoppage. The odds against that must have been 29857458927385-1
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Originally posted by J-Luckyou said he couldnt win on the ground... lol so don't say no one said it, I was screaming it lol.
I said if he did win on the ground it would be by holding him against the fence, and this wasnt wrestling vs BJJ, because that was when Matt and Penn went at it and Matt got OWNED because he hadnt learned any BJJ yet, period.
So nowhere did u or anyone say Matt will do what he did like that, predicting the win is one thing, totally spanking the shit out of him is another
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Originally posted by OmaPlataI said if he did win on the ground it would be by holding him against the fence, and this wasnt wrestling vs BJJ, because that was when Matt and Penn went at it and Matt got OWNED because he hadnt learned any BJJ yet, period.
So nowhere did u or anyone say Matt will do what he did like that, predicting the win is one thing, totally spanking the shit out of him is another
I agree with J-luck... though Royce is an amazing fighter... he did win all the early ufc's
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I DID DEFINITLY SAY IT!!! THE WHOLE TIME!!! I said a Bjj wold champ can't compete with an NCAA D-1 5th placer.... we fought over that lol.Originally posted by OmaPlataI said if he did win on the ground it would be by holding him against the fence, and this wasnt wrestling vs BJJ, because that was when Matt and Penn went at it and Matt got OWNED because he hadnt learned any BJJ yet, period.
So nowhere did u or anyone say Matt will do what he did like that, predicting the win is one thing, totally spanking the shit out of him is another
Ill pull up the posts for you... but yes... I said over and over Hughes would dominate the ground... why wouldnt he?
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for the reason Penn totally and completely owned Huges, a BJJ guy tapped out and humliated the UFC "wrestling" champ before he was taught BJJ by Pat, plain and simple, wrestlers cannot compete with BJJ guys, just look at Tito in the ADCCs getting tossed aroundOriginally posted by J-LuckI DID DEFINITLY SAY IT!!! THE WHOLE TIME!!! I said a Bjj wold champ can't compete with an NCAA D-1 5th placer.... we fought over that lol.
Ill pull up the posts for you... but yes... I said over and over Hughes would dominate the ground... why wouldnt he?
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Originally posted by OmaPlatafor the reason Penn totally and completely owned Huges, a BJJ guy tapped out and humliated the UFC "wrestling" champ before he was taught BJJ by Pat, plain and simple, wrestlers cannot compete with BJJ guys, just look at Tito in the ADCCs getting tossed around
You seriously need to see a shrink or something man............
							
						
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I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me
Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters
I want a girl that spends more time on her back than Royce Gracie.
I'll knee you in the face like your name was Josh Koschek -- Me 
I actually predicted Matt would destroy Royce.
I can find the posts for you if you want.
At first I said I thought Hughes would win, then I said, aaah its a little close maybe 60-40 for hughes, then with about a month before the fight, I realized Hughes would destroy him.
I can find the posts for you, where I outline why Hughes has the advantages, dictates where the fight goes, ground and pound, strength, age, I also said he was a better grappler than Royce, as to which if I remember, a user named "georgie" called me an idiot, and said he would be the first to rub it in my face when Royce won.
Well, looks like someone did predict it, I'm not sure if J-Luck did, but I know I did. And Btw, I dont agree with the "wrestler owns the bjj guy", I agree with the, MMA fighter with much much much superior wrestling, much much much more MMA pedigree, and Good Bjj would win. (Hughes is good at BJJ, great at grappling, Royce is great at BJJ.) Then there would be the next step above in grappling, absolutelyfrickingamazing which is for the Jacare's and Garcias of the world.
Then, the SamuraiGuy level lmao.
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Yeah I was hullicanating when BJ Penn spanked Matt Hughes (the awesome world class wreestler and greatest MMA welter wieght ever LOL) around the ring like a bitch. Hughes knew little BJJ and got OWNED, no amount of wrestling can prepare you for BJJ submissions,wrestlers just dont have the ground game down at all. period. Now that matt was taught by Pat who is brown belt in BJJ, we see he is awesomeOriginally posted by jubajiYou seriously need to see a shrink or something man............
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Originally posted by SamuraiGuyActually Pat is a blackbelt in BJJ, shows how much you know troll.
Gee now Im a troll because Pat got his black belt recently Im not up on who got their black belts on a daily basis, so suck my cock you little bitch faggot. Hows that for trolling wimp?
 
							
						
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Nobody was talking to you idiot fuctard, I was taking to JLuck, duh. Go talk to the wall or that blow up doll you jack off to with playgirl center folds taped to its back.Originally posted by SamuraiGuyI actually predicted Matt would destroy Royce.
I can find the posts for you if you want.
At first I said I thought Hughes would win, then I said, aaah its a little close maybe 60-40 for hughes, then with about a month before the fight, I realized Hughes would destroy him.
I can find the posts for you, where I outline why Hughes has the advantages, dictates where the fight goes, ground and pound, strength, age, I also said he was a better grappler than Royce, as to which if I remember, a user named "georgie" called me an idiot, and said he would be the first to rub it in my face when Royce won.
Well, looks like someone did predict it, I'm not sure if J-Luck did, but I know I did. And Btw, I dont agree with the "wrestler owns the bjj guy", I agree with the, MMA fighter with much much much superior wrestling, much much much more MMA pedigree, and Good Bjj would win. (Hughes is good at BJJ, great at grappling, Royce is great at BJJ.) Then there would be the next step above in grappling, absolutelyfrickingamazing which is for the Jacare's and Garcias of the world.
Then, the SamuraiGuy level lmao.
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Hey homo-plata....Originally posted by OmaPlataGee now Im a troll because Pat got his black belt recently Im not up on who got their black belts on a daily basis, so suck my cock you little bitch faggot. Hows that for trolling wimp?
 
 
just kidding. got too much energy.
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