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Wow, what a flood of responses, I cant believe this thread is still up! 
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Responce to Rob B.
Hi Rob B,
What I think you fail to look at is group dynamics. You fail to look at the rights of a group. O.K. so let us say for the sake of your arguement that Blacks are just as entitled to the U.S. as whites (I don't agree with that but let's go with that one). What would be so wrong if they were given land in Africa (when summed together) with the same land mass as say California (not desert land either good, potentially productive land, I believe this could be done if we bought land there, with our U.S dollar we could do this relatively easily). What would be the difference between that land and living here (other than we are here to make 1st world conditions for them to live in).
Despite all the propaganda that we are all Americans and that we should sing hand in hand, people do not think that way. Just look at all the examples of Nations composed of several peoples that fell apart (despite all the propaganda and intimidation to hold them together).
You need to have some common glue to hold people together and "We are all Americans" will not cut it, watch.
A people will not tolerate supporting another people, just because they happen to be here, no matter how much Propaganda you try to shove down their throats.
Saying that I should hold someone dear as a countryman because they happen to have a piece of paper that says they are a citizen of the same country as me is fake. It is a manufactured loyalty that will not stand up to a stiff gust of wind.
When you try to tell someone, that anyone who holds an American citizenship is your countryman and are part of his "people" you water down what that is supposed to mean to the point where it really means nothing and people start to ignore that and only look out for their self interest (sound familiar to the U.S?).
Let me give you an example, do you think that the loyalty between two Americans (now in 2001), say one Black in South Central Los Angeles and one white in suburban Chicago is the same as the loyalty between to Scotsman one in Glasgow and one in the Highlands, fat chance. The two Scotsman will fight together and the two Americans cannot even stand to see eachother, and will only have anything to do with eachother when forced by the government or economics.
Everyone here knows deep down the races with self segregate when left to do so, this is just reality and the way it will always be.
A people should support itself, for better or worse. Anything else will bring resentment and bitterness, and eventually worse. I hope I'm wrong I NEVER want to see any violence (and will never personally participate in any), but that is what I see in the future (see the former Yugoslavia).Comment
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Good afternoon Mik_36
Well, Mr. "Glass is half empty" . I'm sure every where you go, you're the life of the party.
Seriously though, let's examin what you are proposing. You're asking a people that over the past 400 years have lived, died and worked for this country to be moved. Your asking men and women like Colin Powell, who have fought and sometimes died for this country in WW2, Korea, Viet Nam to forget the suffering and the sacrifices they have made fighting for America. You're asking men and women like Carl Lewis, Jesse Owen, Kenny Monday and Evelyn Ashford, people who have competed at the highest level for this country to pick up and get out. Your asking the many proffesionals, Lawyers, Doctors, Engineers, Graduate students to leave a country which they have called home for many generations. Please these people know nothing of Africa, there lives have been here, there history has been here and they have as much right stay in this country as you and I do.
You've also brought up the former Yugoslavia as an example. I'm a little confused here, are we talking about race or ethnic group. The people in Yugoslavia are for the most part a Slavic Caucasoid race, with some Mediterranean (Turkish) influences in the Kosavo and Bosnian areas. One race but different ethnic groups within them, anyways I'll bite.
It's really strange, here in America i have friends who are Croatian and Bosnian, yet the're not fighting in the streets. I know a man of English descent and a man who's family can be traced back to Northen Ireland, and they are good friends. I'm friends with a Japanese American and he is friends with a Chinese American, something that would rarely happen in Asia. I downtown the other day and I saw an East Indian store right across the street from a Pakistani store; and there countries are at war. Two guys I went to school with, one guys name was WolfGang Dietrich, the other guy was named Louise Leblanc; imagine that a German and a French man being good friends after all the history between there countries.
These friendships would be extremely rare in there original countries, yet they can seem to put there differences aside here. Why, because we are all americans now.Comment
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Responce to Rob B.
Hi Rob B,
I'm not as concerned about being the life of the party as I am about my future, my children's future, and the future of my country. I know that most Liberals would rather have me at a club, rapping about "who let the dogs out", than think about such things, but "I am not down with" that kind of stupidity. Your right I should probably be on another discussion board to talk about these things, and I should be talking about my other big interest outside work, NHB. But the fact is we have gotten on this topic, so I feel obliged to respond.
My understanding is that Muslims in the former Yugoslavia are descended from Turks, so they are a different race, Serbs and Croats are both white but different ethnicities. The source of their conflict (Serbs, Croats) is more political and religous than racial, naturally. But what is your point, if potential for conflict is based on difference (in all areas) then the conclusion one can come to is that the conflict between blacks and whites in America has the potential to be much worse than that of Croats and Serbs (scary but true). The conflict between the races in America is very deep, it is economic, racial, political, and "who let the dogs out" will not stop the problem, or keep it from festering.
One of the things that Liberals (many of whom have had a silver spoon up their a*s since childhood) have trouble grasping is that the white working class is not kidding. This problem will not go away by wishing it away. The white working class feels increasingly under seige and desperate. If you want to try to ignore it or supress it through intimidation and/or propaganda I think you should look at the Marshall Tito example in Yugoslavia first. Trying to bottle up the problem will only cause it to explode in the long run. I won't be involved in any violence, so this is not a threat by me, this is more of a warning on what I see happening in the future.
Even if Liberals practiced what they preached I think people would take what they say more seriously. I'll give you a couple of examples:
Ted Kennedy, and other Liberals who insisted on Busing for years refuse to send their kids to the same public schools that they have made through integration. (lesson - always do as a Liberal does, not as he says).
When this George Michael guy (singer) got caught doing something sick in a park washroom and came out as gay after that, Hollywood and the Liberal media presented it as "good for him, he's gay, and he came out of the closet". But that is a park where kids play and where they had been complaining about homosexuals having sex in pubic for a long time. We have a park around where I live that I can't enjoy with my kids because of that same thing. And you can bet that if that was happening in a Liberals back yard they would put up with that for a sum of approx. 5 seconds. But as long as it is not in their nieghbourhood it is just fine, it is some poor neighbourhood's problem (I have nothing against gays, but I do have a problems when ANYONE decides to have sex in public where my family has to be exposed to it).
The same with Blacks, Liberals scream about how bad blacks are treated, but you can bet they would never put up with Ghetto people hanging around their nieghbourhood. In fact, I would pay money to see what would happen if you put these people into these wealthy nieghbourhoods. I know exactly what would happen, the wealthy Liberals would raise hell until the Blacks were gone, or every one of the wealthy people would move out to a different nieghbourhood within 5 years, or less. (same lesson - do as a liberal does, not as he says)
Another thing is that I will go you a step further (on individuals of different groups being friends), I'll bet that there are millions and millions of cases of individual members of two opposed groups being friends on an individual basis, not just in America but EVERYWHERE. Individual Frenchman friends with Germans, individual Irish friends with English, Russians freinds with Germans, Chinese friends with Japanese. In todays internet age with every people learning many different languages this is more the case today than ever. But these are individual people, again I'm talking about GROUP dynamics. Because there are some cases of Jews being pen pals with Arabs don't expect their conflict to end tomorrow. Individuals will be friends across cultural, racial, and ethnic lines but groups will still have conflicts and that is what I'm talking about here.
So to end things I would just like to say that there is a very large segment of American society that are very unhappy with the present state of things in America, but these opinions are being suppressed, and if we are not careful the end result could be civil war within 40 years. I hope I'm wrong.Comment
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So what else do you and your fringe group buddies have in mind to improve this great country of ours, Mik36?Comment
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Hi Dick,
I'm not part of any fringe group!
That's the way to solve this country's problems, just ignore them, by thinking they are made up by extremists. Instead of addressing working people's concerns or logically argueing against any ideas you don't agree with, just summarily dismiss them as, "not my problem", or, maybe they will go away by themselves. Or pretend that anyone who does not agree with the politically correct view that you have is just a uneducated hick whose concerns and/or well being you could not care less about anyway. I genuinely think that alot of Liberals could care less about the white working class, but how can you expect us to smile and take it, because we will look out for our own interests if forced.
I am at the very end of my Computer Science degree and am on my way out of the working class, so really I could say that none of this is my problem anymore, move out of my poorer nieghbourhood, and not have to take all this s**t from the Politically Correct crowd. But having grown up in the working class I know that is not the right thing to do, so here I am arguing whenever I can for my people and their right to live and work in piece and not have to give away what they work their asses off for on a daily basis. Maybe I should just say, "hey, not my problem anymore" but I will never do that, I'm not an opportunist.
And what alot of people don't realize is that in the long run the hardships of the working class is everyone's problem, because this country will rise and fall with the work ethic and efforts of the working class, this has been so in the past and it will be so in the future.
Dismiss what I say if you want (because you think I burn crosses, WHICH I DO NOT) but the problems will only get worse.Comment
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You must have a rough life growing up, mik, since I'm assuming your basing these observations from what you've gathered in your sorroundings. Just like what rob said, you can view a partially filled cup as either half full or half empty. Unless you've lived for a certain period of time on a very diversed NEIGHBORHOOD in every demographical part of this country, then maybe I'll start listening to your rethorics. Civil war in 40 years? How did you come up with that? With the rate of mixed marriages exponentially multiplying daily, we'll all be one race by then, bro. Don't believe me? Go to Hawaii and you'll see Amerika in 40 years...Comment
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Blacks (and other groups) have been fukked hard by history, and it's not unreasonable of them to expect some form of compensation.
The question is what form of compensation is fair and equitable. If a majority of blacks wanted their own nation I would be all for it, but they do not.
Minority scholarships for worthy students is probably the best means of helping blacks to get ahead in a divided society. Government-funded job training might also be good. I think we (collectively) owe them something, just as we owe the American Indians for stealing their country.Comment
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“Unless you've lived for a certain period of time on a very diversed NEIGHBORHOOD in every demographical part of this country, then maybe I'll start listening to your rethorics.”
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So what your saying is you won’t listen to anyone, because unless I moved every month or so since I was small this would be impossible. That is fine you don’t have to listen to me and you are just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. But if you dismiss my opinions because you think that I am the only one in America who has these concerns, or that I am just a white trash right wing crack pot then, in my opinion, your making a mistake.
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“Civil war in 40 years? How did you come up with that?”
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Of course I don’t know the future but here is the reason for my concern. If the jails keep growing like they have been and other variables keep like they are, there will be an increased weight on the working poor to pay for these costs, and put up with the crime involved to start with.
I would say that I think people would put up with the current weight load of all this because the costs of war far out way the current costs of this system. But as things get worse and the weight gets heavier people will start to rebel, despite our governments best efforts to hold things together through propaganda and intimidation.
People thought that it would be impossible for the Soviet people to change their government because of the state run Soviet propaganda machine, but they did.
You can pump out propaganda 24/7 but this will never kill people’s ability to use their common sense. The truth that the media is trying to sell people just does not coincide with what they see in their daily lives, just as it did not in the Soviet Union, or in Japan or Germany during WW2, when they saw their cities in ruins but their government was talking about all the great victories they were having, and how they were winning the war. The same kind of scenario for the U.S in Vietnam. Or how about the Gulf war, apparently our patriot missiles took down 99% or Saddam’s scud missiles, now we learn they were lucky if it was 5% (or something like that), (just a couple of examples). If you think your government is incapable of lying to you, think again. Use your own judgement from your daily observations, and if that leads you to your politically correct judgement then that is your right but don’t call me and the millions who agree with many of the things I’m saying “bad guys”, because our observations lead us to our opinions.
To be frank I think our observations are a lot better informed than the wealthy Liberal up on the hill because we have actually lived with and around black people where as he has not (and despite what he tells you) will not, see Ted Kennedy, etc.
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“With the rate of mixed marriages exponentially multiplying daily, we'll all be one race by then, bro.”
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No doubt mixed marriages happen, but this is another misconception propagated by the media, that every second marriage is mixed, BULL, they are actually pretty rare. Frankly when left alone people will self segragate. In fact a friend of mine from Canada, whose girlfriend was Native American, was shocked by the way people treated them here in the U.S., I almost got in fight defending them at one point. Rightly or wrongly people are treated very badly when they mix races, by all races whites and blacks and the rest.
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“Don't believe me? Go to Hawaii and you'll see Amerika in 40 years.”
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There is well over 200 million white Americans right now, no doubt they probably will become a minority in 40 years time (when compared to all other groups combined), but believe you me it will take a lot longer than 40 years for whites to disappear, from America or anywhere else. And even that is assuming that they tolerate the current status quo, which they will not, in my opinion. You can only ask the people who make the wealth of this country to take so much, then they get violent, and start to stand up for themselves. Not to repeat myself but again, I hope I’m wrong. So whether America and Europe becomes Mongrolized as you say, I guess we’ll have to wait and see but I would not bet on people putting up with that, and allowing their identity and self respect to disappear.Comment
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“Blacks (and other groups) have been fukked hard by history, and it's not unreasonable of them to expect some form of compensation.”
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A lot of groups have been fu**ed hard, but the only ones I hear the media saying need to be compensated are Blacks and Jews.
My Scottish ancestors had their lands stolen and were driven from the Scottish Highlands by force by the English to Northern Ireland, but I’m still waiting for my check from London?! And if I ever do try to get compensation for this, me going to the Germans asking for money for these injustices is similar to what Blacks are trying to do by getting me to pay for slavery (i.e. I had nothing to do with Slavery, Germans had nothing to do with the Highland Clearances).
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The question is what form of compensation is fair and equitable. If a majority of blacks wanted their own nation I would be all for it, but they do not.
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Why do they not want their own nation? Because that would involve paying their own way, here is a quote I gave earlier:
“American Blacks standard of living is about 1000 times greater than that of Africans and that is why, despite all their complaining about how awful white people are, they don't go back. I mean, if they are treated so badly here, why don't they just go back to Africa? Because they know that their lives would be 10 fold worse off there, than here. No, they want the best of both worlds, they want the standard to living in the 1st world, and collect all the benefits of that life, while at the same time they want to constantly hammer on whites about what terrible people we are, and how we are responsible for any problems they have. If it is so bad, leave! If everyone is equal, as Liberals say, then there should be no change in standard of living between a Blacks living here, as opposed to Africa, so all things being equal the choice would be clear, if I was Black I would go to Africa where I am the majority. But all things are not equal and they know it, their lives would be hell if they went back to Africa (the standard of living there is back in the stone age), so they choose to stay here.”
“…….One might expect that if all people are exactly the same that there would be at least one predominantly black Nation or even area in the world that would be doing o.k for itself, but this is not the case. Whether it is Africa or the new world (i.e Haiti, Jamaica, etc.) they have tremendous problems wherever they go. This should not be the case if all people are equal, I would love some Liberal to please explain this to me.”
“…I refuse to pay and pay and pay and pay for something I had nothing to do with (slavery). They need to start to have a life as good or as bad as they are willing to work for, and they are capable of having, instead of expecting others to pay.”
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Minority scholarships for worthy students is probably the best means of helping blacks to get ahead in a divided society. Government-funded job training might also be good. I think we (collectively) owe them something, just as we owe the American Indians for stealing their country.
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I think that the Native Americans have a better case that I(me) owe them something than Blacks. Because I live on land, that in one sense, was their land long ago. But with blacks I no more owe them money than I owe the decendents of slaves in China or people who are still slaves in Africa for that matter. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SLAVERY. If you feel like you want to give them money, that is up to you but I do not owe them anything! If they are to get money from the U.S it should not be from people like me, it should be from those who were involved in slavery and perhaps those who voluntarily want to contribute (which, when the chips are really down, will be very very few), not forced payment for this garbage from the working poor. Here is a quote I gave earlier on this subject:
“I completely agree that Blacks have been wronged with Slavery, but you need to talk to the decendents of plantation owners and slave traders in Africa (Black and White) about reparations, not me, nor anybody else whose skin happens to be white, but had nothing to do with slavery. The profits from slavery still exist in the decendents of wealthy plantation owners, but Liberals don't want to mess with them, no, they are to powerful, instead they want us working class whites to pay for all this crap, when we had nothing to do with any of it …(i.e my Ancestors were across the Atlantic at the time of slavery)”
However, I want to comment on the Native American thing. When I say I owe Native Americans something, I am not talking about everything we have, like some of them would suggest. I think they are owed land to make their own way.
But I have heard some of them saying that everything in North America should be theirs. I do not believe this to be the case for a couple of reasons. 1.The wealth of this nation was made by our hard work, when we got here it was just empty wilderness, our efforts made this country the greatest in the world. 2. You can not claim land that you are not using effectively. This would be like me going to a completely uninhabited island, like say the size of Texas, and claiming it all as mine because I saw it first. Unless I’m going to actually use all that land I cannot reasonably claim it as mine. Native Americans were not using North American land to any capacity and they had populated it very sparsely and so they could not claim the whole continent as solely theirs in my opinion. That being said, they did populate it to some extent and so I believe are entitled to land of their own, and quit a bit more than what they have now on “reserves”. So I believe they are entitled to something, just not these ridiculous claims that they own everything in North America.
I think a far more blatant theft of land in recent times (land that was being used for agriculture and was densely populated) is Palestine/now Israel. Why does our media not recognise this theft?
--sorry for my crappy improvised method of quoting etc., I had to improvise this on word because my connection is not working again and so I to cut and past this message from my work.Comment
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Mik, I've lived in Europe, Asia and in various states in the good ol' US of A, so I'm confident to say that I've been around; and for the life of me, I've never met any fringe group that are voicing the kinds of speeches your babbling about - oh wait, I do hear a certain group that talks that way. These older guys in my workplace who grew up as teens before the Civil Rights march in the early sixties. Presently I live in a small farm town in Ohio where there's a lot of those militias that believe there are black helicopters blah, blah blah. Their ignorance is so hilarious that I actually feel sorry for them. You see in their little microcosm, they are always being threatened by something, either by the government or some foreigner that was hired as the town doctor. These co workers of mine were born this way, grew up with these belief, and are gonna die without having really experience life outside of their county. Kinda like a lion born in the zoo without knowing the kind of life his parents experienced back in Africa. True, he will be well fed, but his world consist of guard rails and moats, FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE!
Mik, growin up, I've experienced a real coup, a civil war, and a martial law, and believe me, the government here in the USA is FAAARRR from that kinda government I'm talking about. You will never know what I mean if you haven't experienced living in a different government system besides what we have here. All your conjectures are based on hypothesis and hearsay which goes back to what you're talking (hating, maybe?) about: the media. Take a step back and think about it for a sec, you don't have to anwer this, just be honest to yourself: how did you came up with this whole thing? Were you in a room all alone and you start having these thoughts, and you started noticing it around you OR someone gave you this hell and brimstone speech about race relationship here in the US ? If it was the latter, then you should be more strong minded than that. You are actually voicing out someone else's original opinion, making you his or her mirror. If it's the former, well I commend you for coming up with it.
Your belief is probably set, and nothing or no one in this forum could probably change that, which make this country so great, for having so much freedom; and on top of that, being able to voice it out without being , at the least, hauled to jail...Comment
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Another thing, according to you, you don't owe the blacks anything since you yourself wasn't responsible for their ancestors being slaves, and YET; now I don't get this at all, YOU owe the native americans some land since this an' that yada, yada yada. My question based on your reasoning is this: were you one of the original settlers who drove those injuns away? Seriously, are you a descendant of one of those settlers that drove the native americans to where they at right now? Are you sure you didn't descent from some slave owner? Or better yet , are you 100% sure you don't have a drop of black blood in your system? Be careful now, you may never know, otherwise you might be on the wrong side of the camp
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Mik:
My point is, the government of the United States is responsible for the atrocity of slavery, not the white "race".
However, as beneficiaries of that government, it is "we" who owe the descendents of slavery (and segregation) some form of restitution. I'm not talking about cash donations. I'm talking about educational and work opportunities, the kinds of things that blacks are routinely denied.
It is true that American blacks are more successful than their African counterparts, but they are still second-class citizens in the U.S., and not solely due to lack of motivation, as you imply. They are disadvantaged to start with due to accident of birth, and lingering racist beliefs by the white majority. Africa is a whole separate issue, having more to do with European exploitation than anything to do with us.
Blacks don't want their own country because most of them are loyal citizens of the United States. They want to get ahead, just like everyone else, and are often held back by racist attitudes. If you don't believe me, I'm sorry, but I think most of us have seen the way blacks are treated differently even from other minorities. They are always on the short end. Why? Because they are black.
I'm not putting down the suffering of working-class whites, but it doesn't begin to compare to the experience of African-Americans. 300 years of forced labor followed by 100 years of second-class citizenship, solely because of skin color. Think about it.Comment
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“These older guys in my workplace who grew up as teens before the Civil Rights march in the early sixties. Presently I live in a small farm town in Ohio where there's a lot of those militias that believe there are black helicopters blah, blah blah. Their ignorance is so hilarious that I actually feel sorry for them. You see in their little microcosm, they are always being threatened by something, either by the government or some foreigner that was hired as the town doctor. These co workers of mine were born this way, grew up with these belief, and are gonna die without having really experience life outside of their county. Kinda like a lion born in the zoo without knowing the kind of life his parents experienced back in Africa. True, he will be well fed, but his world consist of guard rails and moats, FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE!”
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You say they are closed minded red necks, others might say they are patriots concerned about the future of their people, their country, and their way of life. I don’t know these men, but it is funny to me that when say Tibetans are concerned about what is being done to their country it is cool and hip, but when a farmer in North Dakota is concerned he is a paranoid, close minded red neck. Really this is its own form of prejudice, one person’s patriotism is cool but the others is stupid and nonsense. The fact is that many people feel we have lost control of our government. Do you think that your co-workers want Billions and Billions of their tax dollars to go to Israel (in Apache choppers, tanks, etc, etc. all courtesy of the U.S.A) to kill Palestinian teenagers because they are throwing rocks.
Why is all this money and weapons being sent over there (Israel) NEVER debated about or voted on, you would never know that we are sending BILLIONS to Israel unless you do a lot of digging, as I have. No politician wants to talk about it for fear of being persecuted by the Jewish Lobby. This is real, this is happening, we are spending Billions to help Israel’s war and it is not being debated like it should in a democracy, (just one example of some of the non democratic things happening in the U.S. right now). Another is that if we are to have a REAL democracy we must not have one political view having all the power over the media, because in a country like ours, let’s face it, basically whomever controls the media controls the country to a very large extent. So to have only one set of ideas out there is not REAL democracy, despite the fact that everyone gets a vote, because people will vote on the information given them. If someone controls what information is given to the people he effectively controls the country.
Concerning your co-workers, there are members of any group who choose to never look outside their small group and stay in their home town their whole lives. I don’t particularily want to live that way (I want to Travel to many places once I start making money), but that does not stop me from wanting what is best for my people. And all their ideas (your co-workers) should not be dismissed because they choose to live the way they live, any more than you would dismiss everything that an East Indian says just because he has lived in one village his whole life. Judge ideas on their own merits, not on how the person giving them chooses to live, unless that person’s life style is contradicting what their saying in the first place (see almost every Liberal out there today, Ralph Nader and a few others are the only Liberals who walk the same thing that they talk, and I respect them for it).
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“and for the life of me, I've never met any fringe group that are voicing the kinds of speeches your babbling about…. All your conjectures are based on hypothesis and hearsay which goes back to what you're talking (hating, maybe?) about: the media. Take a step back and think about it for a sec, you don't have to anwer this, just be honest to yourself: how did you came up with this whole thing? Were you in a room all alone and you start having these thoughts, and you started noticing it around you OR someone gave you this hell and brimstone speech about race relationship here in the US ? If it was the latter, then you should be more strong minded than that. You are actually voicing out someone else's original opinion, making you his or her mirror. If it's the former, well I commend you for coming up with it.”
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There is probably a reason why my opinions don’t sound exactly like anyone else’s, they are mine. If you want to believe that I’m a brain washed militia/KKK member, then fine, but I’m not. I have no malice toward other races, you have never heard me use the N word or anything else. In High School I defended a black guy being harassed only for being black. I believe all people should be treated with dignity. But I have strongly come to believe (on my own) in the rights of a people, to have their own destiny and not be oppressed by outside forces, Black or White.
That is why I don’t think it is fare to call me a hate monger. A hater would say that we should be able to oppress others but no one should oppress us. I say no people should be oppressed or carried by any other people. Like I said, a people should go as far as their will and abilities will take them.Comment
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How did I come to this conclusion, I came up with it all by my lonesome. I understand that my father had one or two of these kinds of thoughts (I doubt they were exactly the same as my opinions, but he was also deeply concerned about the future of our country), but he was far to busy working for me to ever talk to him about that kind of thing.
We had some skin heads in my high school but I never talked to them or hung around with them, to busy playing football and studying, plus I think that some of them (skinheads) are just plain crazy and want violence for the sake of violence, nothing else, and I don’t agree with that kind of crap.
I had always known there was something terribly wrong with our half black/half white nieghbourhood but I just wanted to ignore and not think about it, like any teenager. I started to really think about these problems when I was 20 (4 years ago). I was working as a security guard in a mall (the economy in our area was not as good then as is has been more recently, so I basically had to work this job if I wanted money for tuition). My fellow guards and I were getting paid just above minimum wage to throw any trouble making blacks (and others, but 95% blacks) out of the mall, and bust them for shop lifting etc.. During my time working there I had 1 knife pulled on me, 1 brass knuckles, 5 BB guns (which sometimes can look real at first glance), had to get into at least 7 actual fist fights, and taken every shit and abuse possibly known to man kind, and basically had to smile and take it, or lose my job. And I swear to you that I went into that job not being a racist, thinking that blacks had a few problems, but that they were basically the same as whites. I had always known that our nieghbourhood was very very sh**y but I had never thought of that as a black thing, even though it was, because everyone always said you’re a bad person if you think that way.
Anyway, I had been raised, and always believed the idea that every person contributes to a society, whether by being a student or at a job, and only on welfare when between jobs. So I started thinking that basically our government is paying these blacks (almost as a daily job) to come to the mall and make my job as difficult as possible and my life as dangerous as possible. Of course they did not direct blacks to come to the mall every single day, but they facilitated it by giving them the welfare checks so they did not have to work and could instead come to the mall every day. And it pissed me off that no one (esp. the government) much cared whether I (a law abiding student, just doing his job) got stabbed or worse in the process.
The breaking point was when they broke into my car, smashing my window for 75 cents change. I thought to myself “I have fought with blacks all week long in order to pay for a window that they have broken”. Essentially, with this, since I was getting just above minimum wage, they were effectively netting more (for that month) than I was babysitting them (working security) by making trouble at the mall on welfare. Even in the months they did not break my window I was not making much more than them.
That was when I really came to the conclusion that if society is based on everyone contributing to the common good, then there was something fundamentally wrong with this whole situation. I went to a very dark place for a little while, but decided the only thing I could do was get my education and get out of that situation. But what about the people who are not smart enough to go to school, do they deserve to live in a f****ed up situation like that, I don’t think so. Then I started to think about my Grandfather fighting in WW2 and my Great Grandfather in WW1. Did they fight to make a country like the one America is quickly turning into, I think not, they are rolling over in their graves at this very moment.
Then I started to do research on blacks to try to figure out what the problem was. I soon figured out that everywhere they go they have anarchy. They (as a people) do not have the same ideals about society as we (on the whole) do. Like I said, whether it is Haiti, Jamaica, Africa, etc., they (as a whole people) cannot develop civilisation. Who am I to judge whether that is good or bad, it is just different. But when we pretend that they are the same as we are, and put the two peoples together you have a clash of values, and one people ends up supporting the other, which can only lead to resentment and violence. If you want to say that all their problems are because of whitey, that is fine, but a real cop out in my opinion. There are millions in Africans all over the world who have never seen a white man, who have every opportunity to make a civilization, have a ton of resources and land, and yet can not make a go of it. Europe was like this at one time, long ago, was that because someone was oppressing whites at that time, no they were just not ready for civilization, at that particular moment in time. A people must make civilization for themselves, it cannot be forced on them.
I want to address the inevitable response I will get to this “I know black people who are great citizens and good people”. I know these kind of blacks also, but for a WHOLE PEOPLE to make civilization work the vast majority of those people must be ready to do the right thing most of the time (see my earlier statements regarding this). And the fact is that the law abiding blacks are the exception, not the rule (i.e. 50% of black males will commit at least one serious felony in his life, many will have several). Yes there are lots of Blacks that I like very much, but as a WHOLE PEOPLE they are not yet ready for civilization, otherwise they would have made at least one of their own somewhere on earth and/or have gotten along in ours.Comment
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