Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[JkD187]

Well judging by what you just wrote your "2 cents" is a perspective that could save lives. You know, like I know that there are a lot of people that believe that there sportive training equips them for reality. By letting that myth ride, don't you feel a bit remiss by not challenging it when you encounter it? I mean, sure you KNOW the score when it comes to reality. Its obvious by what you wrote. But I thought coming to forums like this meant you were not only trying to learn, but help others who may have exaggerated or untrue ideas about their own training.

This is difficult to do, as you've seen me get attacked left and right by trolls like jubaji. But the idea was to bring to light my points, explain what facts support them and propose a drill so that people could see for themselves what I was speaking about. It wasn't meant to trash BJJ as I have stated many times that BJJ is a comprehensive group of methods to learn to control and escape newaza bouts. Many people who were BJJ practitioners agreed with what I was saying, but the trolls, who were mostly MMA and not pure BJJ players, kept pushing for arguments and clouding the debate at hand.

And being that this is the MMA and BJJ forum, I feel as though everything I've written is relevant here. But if you're honest with yourself JKD187, you can read nearly everything I've ever written and see that I was speaking from an analytical standpoint and not from an argumentative, arrogant one. I've only been rude in response to assholes like jubaji whose only function is to antagonize, provoke and berate others who have contributed their time and experience here. Trolls like them NEVER discuss martial arts, technique or concepts because they have no idea about them. Instead they just comment by using emoticons and tirades and occasionally detailed accounts of how they survived life threatening odds by using gymnastics and WWF styled wrestling techniques. I'm not kidding.

You have an interesting aspect on SSD thats for sure however Next time if you put it in the UC forum so many trolls woulnt pop up....i mean people obviously feel as if your putting down BJJ and MMA espically in this forum.SSD is an interesting topic no doubt just next time lets keep it where it belongs.

[Uke]

Hey that's fine im glad you were able to have some intellegent discussion about it...however these all turn into flame wars eventually and i realize its because of some dumbass Trolls but regardless if you honestly wanted intellegent discussion you could have made a thread about this in the UC forum instead of flaming on someone eles thread.Your not a bad guy either its just that this whole thing is getting old really fast.If you honestly want to learn self defense and you train JUST BJJ your in Trouble....seeing as how the rule is DO NOT take it to the ground....but seeing as how they know JUST BJJ wtf are they supposted to do....and they know it and thats why there insecure about it.The key is Learn BJJ so you DONT go down and be well rounded enough to finish on your feet and that includes Weapons.Just my 2 cents.

Well judging by what you just wrote your "2 cents" is a perspective that could save lives. You know, like I know that there are a lot of people that believe that there sportive training equips them for reality. By letting that myth ride, don't you feel a bit remiss by not challenging it when you encounter it? I mean, sure you KNOW the score when it comes to reality. Its obvious by what you wrote. But I thought coming to forums like this meant you were not only trying to learn, but help others who may have exaggerated or untrue ideas about their own training.

This is difficult to do, as you've seen me get attacked left and right by trolls like jubaji. But the idea was to bring to light my points, explain what facts support them and propose a drill so that people could see for themselves what I was speaking about. It wasn't meant to trash BJJ as I have stated many times that BJJ is a comprehensive group of methods to learn to control and escape newaza bouts. Many people who were BJJ practitioners agreed with what I was saying, but the trolls, who were mostly MMA and not pure BJJ players, kept pushing for arguments and clouding the debate at hand.

And being that this is the MMA and BJJ forum, I feel as though everything I've written is relevant here. But if you're honest with yourself JKD187, you can read nearly everything I've ever written and see that I was speaking from an analytical standpoint and not from an argumentative, arrogant one. I've only been rude in response to assholes like jubaji whose only function is to antagonize, provoke and berate others who have contributed their time and experience here. Trolls like them NEVER discuss martial arts, technique or concepts because they have no idea about them. Instead they just comment by using emoticons and tirades and occasionally detailed accounts of how they survived life threatening odds by using gymnastics and WWF styled wrestling techniques. I'm not kidding.

[jubaji]

First off, I wrote you are a dickHEAD, but I should have written you were acting like one. I don't think your a bad guy.

But you are.

[JkD187]

First off, I wrote you are a dickHEAD, but I should have written you were acting like one. I don't think your a bad guy, just a guy who feeds into the shit here so much that you're busting my balls and I didn't even start this topic. There are a lot of topics on the category that don't belong, but that doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't post on them.

Also, many people who chose not to act ignorant on the BJJ debate thought was I wrote was not only interesting and true, but thought provoking. I've had many people tell me that they've changed the way they went about perceiving ground fighting and the debate forced them to ask what they really were trying to get out of their BJJ training. Making everyone ask questions about their training and their goals is what we're all(except for a few inbred New England fluffers) here for.

Just keep it respectful and we'll get along fine.

Hey that's fine im glad you were able to have some intellegent discussion about it...however these all turn into flame wars eventually and i realize its because of some dumbass Trolls but regardless if you honestly wanted intellegent discussion you could have made a thread about this in the UC forum instead of flaming on someone eles thread.Your not a bad guy either its just that this whole thing is getting old really fast.If you honestly want to learn self defense and you train JUST BJJ your in Trouble....seeing as how the rule is DO NOT take it to the ground....but seeing as how they know JUST BJJ wtf are they supposted to do....and they know it and thats why there insecure about it.The key is Learn BJJ so you DONT go down and be well rounded enough to finish on your feet and that includes Weapons.Just my 2 cents.

[Uke]

Hey if you think im a dick thats great your opinion is respected by me.The only reason your previous thread got so many responses was because you pissed alot of people off....dont forget in the begining i had no problem with what you were saying.Second off i never said Couture's main focus was Boxing, we all know its Wrestling but your trying to state that Couture Boxed for a few months ONLY before the Liddell fight which was completely False he Boxed for years before that....only point i was trying to bring up.I even said in my post that most MMA fighters dont do good in other sports but like i said it was the INDIVIDUAL from MMA not MMA as a whole...not every fighter is EQUALLY good as another.As for the Urban forum if there's tools in there trying to act tough then thats up to them however i DON'T post in that forum because im not interested in SSD.If your not interested in MMA then dont post in the forum.

First off, I wrote you are a dickHEAD, but I should have written you were acting like one. I don't think your a bad guy, just a guy who feeds into the shit here so much that you're busting my balls and I didn't even start this topic. There are a lot of topics on the category that don't belong, but that doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't post on them.

Also, many people who chose not to act ignorant on the BJJ debate thought was I wrote was not only interesting and true, but thought provoking. I've had many people tell me that they've changed the way they went about perceiving ground fighting and the debate forced them to ask what they really were trying to get out of their BJJ training. Making everyone ask questions about their training and their goals is what we're all(except for a few inbred New England fluffers) here for.

Just keep it respectful and we'll get along fine.

[JkD187]

You know JKD, we could have a decent conversation if you weren't a such a dickhead.

The first post alone on "So you think BJJ is effective for the street" topic had generated more interest than anything you've ever written.

Next, no matter what Couture might have done, he's a wrestler first and foremost as is obvious by watching the man or just looking at his record which shows how he wins most of his fights. Also, if you read what was written, you'd see that I wrote that most MMA fighters don't do well. Never said all.

I applaud the fact that you took the time to give some examples. But you gave about 7 examples out of over hundreds of MMA fighters which just goes to prove what? What you wrote is the exception, not the rule.

And just so you know, assholes like you were all over the urban forum. If you don't like these topics, you should learn to stay in the kiddie pool where you belong.

Hey if you think im a dick thats great your opinion is respected by me.The only reason your previous thread got so many responses was because you pissed alot of people off....dont forget in the begining i had no problem with what you were saying.Second off i never said Couture's main focus was Boxing, we all know its Wrestling but your trying to state that Couture Boxed for a few months ONLY before the Liddell fight which was completely False he Boxed for years before that....only point i was trying to bring up.I even said in my post that most MMA fighters dont do good in other sports but like i said it was the INDIVIDUAL from MMA not MMA as a whole...not every fighter is EQUALLY good as another.As for the Urban forum if there's tools in there trying to act tough then thats up to them however i DON'T post in that forum because im not interested in SSD.If your not interested in MMA then dont post in the forum.

[Uke]

Looks like diplomacy (mixed with humor) is working.

Sorry jubaji, looks like its out of your hands - but as long as the net exists, there will be trolls that need a suplexing.

LMAOOOOOOOO

[jubaji]

Looks like diplomacy (mixed with humor) is working.

Sorry jubaji, looks like its out of your hands - but as long as the net exists, there will be trolls that need a suplexing.

As long as the likes of pUke are around...

[jubaji]

And just so you know, assholes like you were all over the urban forum. If you don't like these topics, you should learn to stay in the kiddie pool where you belong.

pUke being a d-bag yet again!

[Tom Yum]

Looks like diplomacy (mixed with humor) is working.

Sorry jubaji, looks like its out of your hands - but as long as the net exists, there will be trolls that need a suplexing.

[Uke]

First off Uke this whole Thread needs to be moved to Urban Street Combat or w.e its called because thats what it was created for! talking about STREET SELF DEFENSE did you not read the thread Title: BJJ AND MMA discussion...stop bringing your Street B.S onto this forum were all sick of this crap....just like your thread before"so you think BJJ is effective for the street huh" or w.e it was.If your not going to be discussing BJJ or MMA no need to be in this forum.Second off you need to start learning some stuff before you start to spew your Garbage...Couture Boxed in the ARMY and fought a few matches as well he didnt have just a few months Boxing you moron he had YEARS.Also i can name quite a few examples of MMA fighters who ventured out into K-1 and made an impact like Quintion Rampage Jackson 2-0 2ko's in K-1 Genki Sudo 4-3 1 Ko in K-1 Kid Yamamoto 3-2 3 ko's in K-1.Mark kerr in abu dhabi Tito ortiz in abu dhabi Matt hughes in Abu dhabi Couture having a draw with Jacare possibly the best P4P grappler in the world.Then there are the K-1 guys who got wrecked by no name boxers with ease in Ray Sefo and Mighty Mo.Now dont get me wrong plenty of MMA fighters came out of MMA and got killed its just that most were B level at best and give others a bad rep.

You know JKD, we could have a decent conversation if you weren't a such a dickhead.

The first post alone on "So you think BJJ is effective for the street" topic had generated more interest than anything you've ever written.

Next, no matter what Couture might have done, he's a wrestler first and foremost as is obvious by watching the man or just looking at his record which shows how he wins most of his fights. Also, if you read what was written, you'd see that I wrote that most MMA fighters don't do well. Never said all.

I applaud the fact that you took the time to give some examples. But you gave about 7 examples out of over hundreds of MMA fighters which just goes to prove what? What you wrote is the exception, not the rule.

And just so you know, assholes like you were all over the urban forum. If you don't like these topics, you should learn to stay in the kiddie pool where you belong.

[Sagacious Lu]

Lu, If I offended you, I did not mean to, and I apologize right here, publicly for having done so.

Thank you.

I would sincerely like for you to drop it and not bring it up anymore.

Done. I had something to say so I said it, and now I'm going to drop it.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

i've read as much of the thread as i could stomach at one go which was a little over half, so forgive me if this has been brought up.

Uke, i actually agree with quite a bit you have to say (i feel like i'm going to ostricize myself saying that!) But i don't really see the point of pointing out that MMA guys get beat in K-1 or strictly grappling tournies. Maybe they are jacks of all trades and masters of none, but if you're going to bring up the SD issue, i think it's actually a much bigger folly to master one trade and neglect the others.

In the realm of sports, why is it more admirable to master a smaller skillset?

The rules of boxing or K-1 or bjj tournaments are more contrived than MMA rules in terms of "reality" vs sport.

[knifethrower]

Because I too am tired of hearing it. And I'm tired of repeated attempts to reignite a grudge.

I don't know...I was just thinking how about "not read" as oposed to "delete"

[JkD187]

First off Uke this whole Thread needs to be moved to Urban Street Combat or w.e its called because thats what it was created for! talking about STREET SELF DEFENSE did you not read the thread Title: BJJ AND MMA discussion...stop bringing your Street B.S onto this forum were all sick of this crap....just like your thread before"so you think BJJ is effective for the street huh" or w.e it was.If your not going to be discussing BJJ or MMA no need to be in this forum.Second off you need to start learning some stuff before you start to spew your Garbage...Couture Boxed in the ARMY and fought a few matches as well he didnt have just a few months Boxing you moron he had YEARS.Also i can name quite a few examples of MMA fighters who ventured out into K-1 and made an impact like Quintion Rampage Jackson 2-0 2ko's in K-1 Genki Sudo 4-3 1 Ko in K-1 Kid Yamamoto 3-2 3 ko's in K-1.Mark kerr in abu dhabi Tito ortiz in abu dhabi Matt hughes in Abu dhabi Couture having a draw with Jacare possibly the best P4P grappler in the world.Then there are the K-1 guys who got wrecked by no name boxers with ease in Ray Sefo and Mighty Mo.Now dont get me wrong plenty of MMA fighters came out of MMA and got killed its just that most were B level at best and give others a bad rep.