Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[Tom Yum]

Very well said Bro...The correction officers, Leo's and soldiers I know ALL laugh at MMA concepts for SD..perhaps my favorite slam of all is the "You can't tap out on the street" shirts the Swat Units and SF guys are all starting to wear...their experiences outside the ring have made their feelings so clear shirts are being made..thats reality for you.

I can see that. If you're line of work involves security or war, you want to know how to apply different levels of force on the person you're trying to control.

I'd guess in some instances, an aikido style wristlock would be perfect for someone just trying to force their way somewhere they shouldn't. In a more physical and direct confrontation, a rear-naked choke would be better and still be considered a justifiable use of force, rather than overkill. You can still kill someone by keeping the choke too long - that Army guy did that to the big Football kid and the kid ended up dieing. Well the kid slammed him into the concrete twice before he sank the choke in.

In the most urgent case, I can see how maneuvers from LINE and Asian influenced combatives could end a fight quick...but for civillian intents and purposes, does someone need to go so far?

I know there are some huge tactical differences between MMA and combatives - being combatives is more for urban self-protection and deals with a more flexible range of scenarios.

Question for legal eagles here or anyone who knows:

If someone gets attacked by multiple opponents and as the victim covers from raining punches, stomp kicks and he counter spear jabs one of the attackers in the throat or eye, getting penetration, is this a legally justifiable use of force? If he bites one of the attackers who is trying to hold/pin him and rips off flesh, is this legally justifiable?

Common sense says yes, but I do not know for sure.

The attackers are unarmed but the victim is outnumbered.

[BoarSpear]

Actually, it's not my school at all.

Nuff said.

[BoarSpear]

And I think that's far better justification for a tool or method than "It's too deadly to do this for real, but trust me - it'll work."

Hmmm I think we have you EXPOSED. So Mike, If I slip a strike, sweep your feet and stomp your head while it's flat on the street while wearing combat boots it wont work unless I actually stomped your head in training? If I have done this at speed hundreds of thousands of times against a resisting opponent but never actually stomped the guys head but just pinned it there then this is BS training and I would be better off learning MMA?

[Tom Yum]

you dont know that.

Dick, your attitude is in the dumps.

[DickHardman]

Garland, there are few women out there who were really meant for you and one who is your perfect match. .

you dont know that.

[Tom Yum]

**** this shit...let's talk about something important...like why bi-sexual girls are evil fucking fucks just out to destroy the hearts and souls of well meaning and naive men. Succubi. Evil. Scandalous and evil.

Some girls want to be crafty and get really snippy when they get called out on their craft. Don't put up with it and don't beat yourself up over it.

Garland, there are a few women out there who were really meant for you and fewer who are your perfect match.

Keep searchin, young brotha.

[BoarSpear]

Theory-boy? Keep on truckin little bunny rabbit...keep on truckin....


Ooooooooooooooo! jubaji's friend said so! Well, lets just everybody get togather and have a big suplex party!

WAHOO GET THE BEER! IT'S SUPLEX TIME!







* your friend said so...what a fukin joke

ROFLMAO...a suplex party...

Who needs experience, or common sense when we have Jubaji's friend's second hand opinion.

I don't know whats funnier, the second hand opinion of a trolls friend, or the statement he has a friend.

[BoarSpear]

No, Uke, I'm not. I'm suggesting that it is an acceptable option. At no time - not once - have I said that these same results can't be achieved without MMA methods and material. I never said it. Find it and quote me if you think I did.

Find me a Martial art related thread you haven't slammed everyone who doesn't do MMA as not being prepared for SD.

You went so far as to ignore it when I pointed out DARIA's flat statement that a MMA guy with a knife was better prepared for a knife fight than ANY FMA person because FMA is all bs, but MMA people train at 100 percent resistance (which is utter crap ....The MCMAP guidelines CLEARLY STATE ANY RESISTANCE over 30 PERCENT CAUSES TOO MANY INJURIES AND IS TO BE AVIODED) )YOU ignored multiple pms from me calling you out on that thread..you wouldn't touch it because you were afraid to talk bad about MMA at all...surely you remember that...it's the one where I decided discussing martial arts here was a waste of time since you had an agenda...I think we all remember how you responded.

[BoarSpear]

Uke, you and Boar have both accused me of being a liar over and over again. So in the interest of maintaining honesty, please quote me where I even once advocated either of these things. Show me even once where I said that a flying armbar was ever a good idea. I won't even ask you to keep it to this conversation. You're reaching. You're floundering. And now you're lying about what I've said because your arguments have crumbled yet again. You are lying, Uke, about what I said, because you can't dispute what I really wrote. You're lying, Uke, because it's the only thing you can do to argue the point. You're lying because the best you can do at this point is dispute your own lie, rather than what I said. Quote me, Uke. Of face up to the fact that in this case - you're the liar.

Thats rich, the King of misquotes and lying calling someone else on his very game.

[BoarSpear]

You’re just pissed cuz you’re thinking there may be a better way to train and you don’t want to take the time to change your game………..



Yeah, just suplex the guy with the shank…

Keep try’n engine bunny….keep try’n

BWAHAHAHA!!! ROFLMAO

[BoarSpear]

That's why correction officers, who arguably have the most dangerous job, train in SD combatives to handle America's most dangerous criminals, not MMA. If you were to begin kickboxing or shoot in an a guy acting irate in prison, you're going to either get fucked up or die. Prisoners carry weapons. Prisoners will stick together for a chance to hurt or cripple a CO. So you'd have to be crazy to tell someone to fight a man with nothing to lose in that manner. Mike will tell you to do rolling leglocks and flying armbars, but what he won't tell you is that you'll get a shank to the neck for your troubles.

Very well said Bro...The correction officers, Leo's and soldiers I know ALL laugh at MMA concepts for SD..perhaps my favorite slam of all is the "You can't tap out on the street" shirts the Swat Units and SF guys are all starting to wear...their experiences outside the ring have made their feelings so clear shirts are being made..thats reality for you.

If you can't expect prisoners in Maximum security prisons to be unarmed, who can you expect to be? Oh yeah, the other guy in tights....

The Defense Institute is THEE premier school for reality in your area and state? Well Mike Brewer, the reality methods in that school come FROM MY SCHOOL in NY as the men who teach SD there are from VAJ and not the Mike Brewer School of MMA and boxing! I'm glad that you know what is premier and what belongs in a gym hitting speed bags. They might teach boxing and kickboxing and MMA as a conditioning and cardio method, but the curriculum of VAJ is a strict one that the founder and heir will not allow anyone using the name to deviate from. VAJ is taught the SAME everywhere so that we don't have the problems that JKD has concerning everybody doing what they want and calling it JKD. There's a time for MMA, and then there's a time when your ass is on the line and you need SD to keep you alive from weapons and multiple attackers.

Hehehehehe isn't it funny how he walked right into that one

[jubaji]

Theory-boy?

Yes, 'theory-boy.'

Ooooooooooooooo! jubaji's friend said so! * your friend said so...what a fukin joke

You're right, anecdotes are proof of nothing, and I don't imagine you are inclined to believe me anyway. And of course pUke will soon start shouting, "exception to the rule! exception to the rule!" like he does every time one of his silly generalizations is refuted. However, it is interesting that you are quick to scoff at my personal information from the real world but even quicker to accept anything that pUke pulls out his ass.

...and quickest of all to climb on up in Boring's ass yourself!

[knifethrower]

Theory-boy can sit on his internal ass and speculate all day

Theory-boy? Keep on truckin little bunny rabbit...keep on truckin....

Do whatever you have to with the guy with or without the shank.....my friend worked as a corrections officer for ten years, had quite a few run-ins with unruly inmates, and agrees with my statement above completely.

Ooooooooooooooo! jubaji's friend said so! Well, lets just everybody get togather and have a big suplex party!

WAHOO GET THE BEER! IT'S SUPLEX TIME!







* your friend said so...what a fukin joke

[JustaFighter]

Correct me if I'm wrong...

As I see it, Mike is just stating that there is no one complete style/system of training that will make you capable of all situations from minor control of an individual to "Oh Sh!t three people with weapons." It's up to the fighter to correctly train in proper principles to handle whatever real situations life may throw your way that involves some form of force on another person(s). Mike is just stating that there are good principles and options in MMA that can compliment the RBSD practitioner.

I think Mike's right. If I understand Mike. He believes that you are to become the best fighter you can be in whatever situation. Not the best TKD person, or JKD person, ect. But as an individual, the best you can be in truely/honestly winning the physical altercation.

That's just how I see it.

[jubaji]

Anyway, that’s what I got out of the post…

That maybe what you got out of it, but not what went into it.

You’re just pissed cuz you’re thinking there may be a better way to train and you don’t want to take the time to change your game………..

Completely wrong, but thanks for guessing.

Yeah, just suplex the guy with the shank…

Do whatever you have to with the guy with or without the shank.

Theory-boy can sit on his internal ass and speculate all day, but my friend worked as a corrections officer for ten years, had quite a few run-ins with unruly inmates, and agrees with my statement above completely.