Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[jubaji]

I'll keep on tryin'

[knifethrower]

Oh what a surprise, pUke broadcasting his insecurities yet again...

Weak but, good try

[jubaji]

MMA can only be successfully used by men who are professional athletes with conditioning that surpasses their opponents.

Oh what a surprise, pUke broadcasting his insecurities yet again...

[Uke]

I have not glossed over your points at all, Uke. I've blown them apart.

ROFLLLLLLLL. Mike if you believe that you've blown any one of my points apart then you really are worse off than we've all thought. I've not only written posts that you have COMPLETELY not addressed, but you've even done it to other forum members lately and THEY have recently called you out on that new practice of yours.

Point in a nutshell:

Go to any reputable self defense school and present Mike Brewer's arguments and be prepared to be laughed at consistently. Mike is NOT a bad guy, but he views himself as an authority which he isn't. He even talks with authority about subjects that he admits that he knows little to nothing about.

I can put up several posts on this topic alone that you'll notice that Brewer NEVER responded to. Yet, he feels he "blew" apart facts and arguments with his own opinions that are only based on his other opinions. When was this? Put up the posts!!! I've re-posted several of the points that you run for cover from. What Mike Brewer "feels" that MMA could accomplish is pure speculation because MMA has not to date done ANY of the things Brewer suggests that they "might" be able to do.

We(me, Boarspear and IPON) have been speaking from points of fact and history. If Mike wants to put on a cape and believe that he's all things martial arts, let him. But nobody but kids on this forum would believe that nonsense.

If your ideas and methods are so revolutionary Mike, why not open a school and get rich? MMA makes quite a buck for instructors because it provides a competition based environment for them to safely wrestle and kickbox. Now that you've come up with a new, less sportive version of MMA that addresses street realities, you could be rich! Why not collect the money on your ideas? You and I both know why. Not even the better more reputable MMA advocates are silly enough to suggest what you're suggesting. There are other SD schools in your area that are thriving because of the methods and philosophy that I have been writing about. There's not one reputable school nationwide claiming what you're claiming.

Combat is a method that should not be limited to any race, age, gender, or body type. Once it is, its not practical. MMA can only be successfully used by men who are professional athletes with conditioning that surpasses their opponents. Women, children and senior citizens cannot use MMA as self defense. Smaller men cannot use MMA to win against bigger, stronger skilled men. Most cannot defend against a skilled(and I stress skilled not some clumsy drunk guy swinging a butter knife) weapon attack using MMA. Weapons do not exist in the MMA world, which means reality doesn't.

Its really bizarre that you'd even argue these points. The more you feel attacked, the more you seem to double talk facts that you've previously agreed with. You're all over the place. First you claim that you're all about weapon defense and mass attacks, but then you claim that MMA brings team spirit and mental toughness that SD doesn't? Bro, what the hell are you talking about?

You are completely arguing points that aren't in contention in an effort to seem like you're holding your ground.

Either you're doing this to be a ball buster, or we're all now seeing Mike Brewer for who he truly is. Its one or the other.

[WuChi]

If we were all scientists of our art, we would have no trouble in explaining ourselves. All martial arts have some things in common. They dont physically exist, they require humans to perform them and they all concern human nature, which includes war. They are not all so different, just the outlook of the student. Some will understand, and some never will.

[WuChi]

A amjorly important part of all this is missing. It takes courage to step up to the challenges of say, mma etc. And when you do this you learn to deal with your emotions, and channel anger and fear. This is an important part of any martial artist. Its good to have skills but what good are they if you cant use them because you freeze etc. As for the "current curriculum of mma", I dont think that exists, I compete in MMa but train is various systems, Im still a Martial artist. I do MT, Ninjitsu and ju-jitsu. I go to an MMa class, but that is Vale Tudo, which is a form of fighting system as well, not just a sport. The MMa scene is like K1, you train how you want, and whatever your best at and compete under a set of rules. Fighting with rules can never be real fighting, but it is a vital substitute for people who want to be real martial warriors or artists. In the modern day, other than in the army you are unlikely to find a war. The Soldier is a warrior, because of what he has to deal with. respect

[knifethrower]

Thank you very much.

anytime.........

[jubaji]

That's rich comming from you dude----------

Thank you very much.

[knifethrower]

The same thing over and over and over...

That's rich comming from you dude----------

[jubaji]

The same thing over and over and over...

[Uke]

The way an intelligent man fights is designed around the most lethal ways that he can be harmed and/or killed which are edged weapons and firearms. His goal is to work smarter, not harder. His training is geared to maximize his efforts by being armed and dirty, not to be fair or fun.

This is the one passage that summed up our last debate which you glossed over, Mike Brewer. You're not even arguing from a point of fact or experience. You've been real subtle about not including any fact or supporting examples, Mike. And up until now, we've all been sucked into what you're doing.

Mike Brewer is NOT arguing that MMA does anything that we say it doesn't. The reason that his argument still exists is because he's cleverly constructed his argument to imply that "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE". So while we've been providing facts and examples, his argument is predicated on anything being possible which is undeniably true. MMA and any other system of training could conceivably achieve any level with the right focus, instruction and a total revamp of its curriculum. That’s basically saying that if you hired the top self defense/urban combatives instructors and had them teach MMA athletes to use the best methods while continuing to train them with the superior sport medicine and conditioning methods then MMA athletes would be street competent. No shit.

So basically, anyone can do anything under the right conditions is Mike’s argument. My argument this entire time is that with the current curriculum and MMA framework, MMA is NOT currently equipped to do anything passed the borders of what it is already doing, which is purely sport kickboxing and submission wrestling. It appears that Mike Brewer attempted to make it seem as though Boarspear, IPON and myself were saying that MMA was useless and COULD NOT learn to implement combatives in an effort to be realistic, when in reality we were all saying that the current framework is sportive at best and it is ridiculous to compare its current skill-set to those of weapon based combat systems.

Its ashamed that you have to play semantics games in order to look like you have something useful to say.

[Uke]

thats not true either

Its absolutely true.

[DickHardman]

The person you claimed to be in this post.



You want a link to the thread? You're either a liar or a full time troll or both, either way.

Oh what the hell...post numbers 158 and 160 tell the whole story.
http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/s...614#post250614

thats not true either

[BoarSpear]

who is sherwin?

The person you claimed to be in this post.

my other screen name used to be sherwinc.....


convinced????

You want a link to the thread? You're either a liar or a full time troll or both, either way.

Oh what the hell...post numbers 158 and 160 tell the whole story.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?p=250614#post250614

[DickHardman]

who is sherwin?