Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[BoarSpear]

ive heard someone from nearly every martial art claim something similar to this statement about their art.

counter attacks are not a new concept or unique concept.

MMA people seem to be the ONLY one's who think there is anything NEW in the Martial arts. Most unique things in the arts are smoke and mirrors anyway. Intent, mindset and conditioning decide how your power will be issued. Your weapons are reliant on the threats you build them to deal with. If you world is made up of threats in a ring then your responses are tuned to deal with that.

It's what you chose to do with the advantage presented that makes one art different than another. Arts designed to kill you or cripple you at the very first given opportunity certainly train different than one that trains to NEVER kill or cripple the participant. When civil liability goes out the window along with sportsmanship the number of things you're willing to do increase dramatically, if all you want is the ability to bar fight then MMA is fine...IF you realize rapes, murders, muggings and kidnappings happen every day then maybe you ought to look for ways to fight that don't revolve around rules because I assure you the street attacker doesn't have any (although he probably has a weapon and friends).

[DickHardman]

cause his own attack to be his undoing.

ive heard someone from nearly every martial art claim something similar to this statement about their art.

counter attacks are not a new concept or unique concept.

[BoarSpear]

I'm reading between the lines here, Boar....

Mongolian wrestling throws probably involve throwing by securing the head and or groin?

Not necessarily, they all prevent breakfalls and most cause you to land on your head or neck with all your bodyweight behind them. All are "set up" by your opponents move, you capitalize on something he does and cause his own attack to be his undoing.

[BoarSpear]

Yeah that was just a normal lifting double leg, but what are these "4 acceptable ways to throw in mongolian wrestling"? I would really like to know.

I'm sure one of the many experts who dog my every post can explain the 4 throws of Mongolian Wrestling and their combative applications. So why not ask the forum "expert?" You've spent countless posts telling me what an idiot I am and negg repping me, so sure I'll explain it to you.

[knifethrower]

No, because that's just what I've done to more than a few mouthy punks like you, in 'da street!'.

HeHeHeHe I think you pist him off Uke-------------

[Tom Yum]

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[jubaji]

Of course that throw looks familiar, jubaji. Its what happened to you as a child and completely explains your acute retardation.

No, because that's just what I've done to more than a few mouthy punks like you, in 'da street!'.

[jubaji]

Yeah that throw isnt any fun, but its a Shuaijiao throw, NOT a Mongolian wrestling throw. There are only 4 acceptable ways to throw a man in mongolian wrestling, that wasn't one 'em...NONE are legal in ANY competition.

'cause theory-boy wants to feel 'too deadly!'

[Tom Yum]

There are only 4 acceptable ways to throw a man in mongolian wrestling, that wasn't one 'em...NONE are legal in ANY competition.

Cool. I've only dabbled in freestyle wrestling and it was an intermural university club, nothing like the midwest division wrasslers some of our fine institutions of learning has produced.

Most of the throws involved grabbing a leg/legs (single leg, double leg, fireman's carry) or leveraging the hips (souplet/souplex, hip toss, hip toss -leg sweep). I didn't learn that many throws - just a few with variations on each.

I'm reading between the lines here, Boar....

Mongolian wrestling throws probably involve throwing by securing the head and or groin?

I've seen a varation on a combatives-style takedown that involves pulling the groin from behind while simultaneously shoving the head forward - is this what you are referring to?

[Uke]

That looks mighty familiar...

Of course that throw looks familiar, jubaji. Its what happened to you as a child and completely explains your acute retardation.

[Uke]

no uke, that was not the exact point you were trying to make. tom yum in no way claimed that mma training is useless for self defense applications. nor did he try to tell highly esteemed instructors that their way is wrong.

I never claimed anything was useless. You're just not bright enough to walk away understanding what I wrote obviously.

The point that Tom made that I had previously written had to do with why SD teach MMA and how keeping the doors open is the most important thing.

Somehow you outsmarted yourself and missed that.

[DickHardman]

Muaythai is often called a ring sport, but its been around for atleast 1,000 years. Prior to its modernization in the 1920's, matches were fought to the death. Does this make it a combat sport or a traditional art?

Kyokushin karate holds kumite and is done full-contact, but the founder, Mas Oyama, studied Chinese kenpo as a youth and then Shotokan as a young adult. Does this make it a mixed martial art or a traditional martial art?

Judo, the gentleway, was a refinement of Jujitsu designed to take out the moves that were too deadly. Is this a combat sport or a traditional art - afterall it is called the "gentle way" which to some may sound feminine. Even jujitsu means the "gentle art" even though the moves are far from gentle...

i also find it odd/humorous when i tell people i train in jiu jitsu and muay thai and then they claim that i dont train in a tma lol.

[DickHardman]

This is the exact point that I was making and some still don't understand it, Tom. All anyone had to do was read what was I wrote on the previous pages of this topic. Perhaps coming from you that point will be a bit more palatable.

no uke, that was not the exact point you were trying to make. tom yum in no way claimed that mma training is useless for self defense applications. nor did he try to tell highly esteemed instructors that their way is wrong.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Yeah that throw isnt any fun, but its a Shuaijiao throw, NOT a Mongolian wrestling throw. There are only 4 acceptable ways to throw a man in mongolian wrestling, that wasn't one 'em...NONE are legal in ANY competition.

Yeah that was just a normal lifting double leg, but what are these "4 acceptable ways to throw in mongolian wrestling"? I would really like to know.

[BoarSpear]

I guess you're right.

San Shou (Red) vs. Kyokushin (blue).

I've been told the goal of shuaijiao (chinese wrestling) is to throw your opponent from the greatest height possible so as to do the most damage. Sanshou borrows from shuiajiao if I'm not mistaken - kind of follows the same scoring rules as freestyle wrestling in that you get more points for a bigger throw.

Anyhow, a throw like this is just a little on the scary side...

Yeah that throw isnt any fun, but its a Shuaijiao throw, NOT a Mongolian wrestling throw. There are only 4 acceptable ways to throw a man in mongolian wrestling, that wasn't one 'em...NONE are legal in ANY competition.