Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[knifethrower]

And the people who are bigger/stronger/faster and equally skilled in your system have no advantage over those who are smaller/slower/weaker?

There’s always going to be someone better than you…he may be bigger/stronger/faster or he may not. He may be good with a knife, good with a gun or just ready when you weren’t. You work with what you got. Anyway, that’s what I got out of the post…

Says the insecure little fish for the 100,000,000th time...

You’re just pissed cuz you’re thinking there may be a better way to train and you don’t want to take the time to change your game………..

Bullshit. That, like everything else, is relative to the specific situation. (of course)

Yeah, just suplex the guy with the shank…

Keep try’n engine bunny….keep try’n

[jubaji]

There are short people who are excellent in my system. There are tall people who are excellent in my system. There are women who are excellent in my system. .

And the people who are bigger/stronger/faster and equally skilled in your system have no advantage over those who are smaller/slower/weaker?

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[jubaji]

That's why correction officers, who arguably have the most dangerous job, train in SD combatives to handle America's most dangerous criminals, not MMA. If you were to begin kickboxing or shoot in an a guy acting irate in prison, you're going to either get fucked up or die.

Bullshit. That, like everything else, is relative to the specific situation. (of course)

[jubaji]

Men MUST be in professional level condition to be effective in MMA. .

Says the insecure little fish for the 100,000,000th time...

[Uke]

So it's your contention that any fighting method that's truly effective will work for everyone? Small large, fat, skinny, out of shape, athletic, man, or woman? You're suggesting that any "real" combat method should work across the board equally for my twelve year old cousin as well as it does for me? This one doesn't even need me to blow it apart. It's too flimsy to stand on its own. Please, fo the sake of clarification, give me an example of the kind of art that does not favor one type of person over another. Just one example will be fine.

Its my contention that there are systems that are put together much better than others and can be used by anyone who will put the time in learning. The Grandmaster of my system was 5'1 and lucky if he was 110lbs. He was more then formidable. There are fat people who are excellent in my system. There are short people who are excellent in my system. There are tall people who are excellent in my system. There are women who are excellent in my system. And its not just my system. There are many other systems that address the fact that everyone will not be strong, or tall or exceptionally conditioned. Men nor women have to be professionally trained athletes to perform or be effective in combatives. Men MUST be in professional level condition to be effective in MMA.

That's why correction officers, who arguably have the most dangerous job, train in SD combatives to handle America's most dangerous criminals, not MMA. If you were to begin kickboxing or shoot in an a guy acting irate in prison, you're going to either get fucked up or die. Prisoners carry weapons. Prisoners will stick together for a chance to hurt or cripple a CO. So you'd have to be crazy to tell someone to fight a man with nothing to lose in that manner. Mike will tell you to do rolling leglocks and flying armbars, but what he won't tell you is that you'll get a shank to the neck for your troubles.

Please do! And videotape it so you can post the hysterics here. In fact, go back and print off the list of all seven points I just listed and present them to this reputable school you're visiting. Since the training philosophy mirrors places I've already mentioned - like Paul Vunak's place and the Inosanto Academy - I'd be very, very interested to see which "reputable instructors" laugh you out the door. Preparing for mass attack and weapons, training with athleticism, learning to relax and think under pressure, and sparring hard against skilled, well-conditioned, and resisting opponents? Oh my God! You're right. I've lost my mind. And to address the point about me speaking as an authority on subjects I admit to knowing nothing about? The only other post we're discussing is the soft vs hard styles thread, and in that I have admitted time and time and time again that I don't know what it's all about. I've also asked repeatedly for explanations. I don't see how that is "speaking as an authority." What sounds to me like the kind of behavior you're talking about is when BoarSpear admits to knowing nothing about MMA, admits to not following it or any other sport, and admits that he doesn't even know who any of the premier athletes are - but still professes to tell everyone how ineffective it is! Get your arguments right!

When you write "Preparing for mass attack and weapons, training with athleticism, learning to relax and think under pressure, and sparring hard against skilled, well-conditioned, and resisting opponents", you're assuming that self defense schools aren't already doing this without MMA framework! MMA is less than 10 years old, and you speak as if those qualities ONLY came about since MMA's inception! This is why many people, not only myself have told you that maybe YOUR school lacked those elements and you had to find them through MMA, but that doesn't apply to most reputable schools. And you do try to speak as an authority about EVERYTHING, even when its clear that you're bullshitting as you along! I'm hardly the only who thinks so:

If I say Boxing is an external style you say it can’t be. If I told you there was a cure for cancer and had the proof for it. You would say “no impossible” where you are not involved in medical research to have that opinion. So who is really bias here? Thai Bri has very rigid opinions on certain topics but I could always end a conversation with we agree to disagree. This is not "I'MRIGHTALWAYS.NET", but I feel it is Mike’s way or no way, eventhough you dsay you want to learn - complete hypocrisy. Why is that? I do have respect for things that you have posted. I don’t care that you don’t like or agree with anything I post (its just discussion we can agree to disagree) but don’t respond if you don’t understand or better yet respond to understand.

But you ignore messages like that despite them being from posters who are not argumentative. How much more polite yet truthful could IPON have been?

You're right. The literal hundreds of encounters I've had are purely speculative. The dozen upon dozen of people I've controlled using the very same kinds of techniques used in the MMA ring are just things that "might" happen. The fact that I developed a toughness and work ethic from training similar to MMA (even before there was such a term) was not relevant at all. Uke, let me ask you how it is that 26 years of doing this stuff personally, and at least 14 years of applying it in real world situations against armed and unarmed individulas and groups constitutes speculation. Since you're apt to dodge every other point I make, please, at least have the common decency to answer this one. What more personal proof can I offer besides the scars I carry, and the fact that I am not only still here and uncrippled, but that my decisions about which techniques and level of force to use has stood up in court every single time? I won in both the street itself and in the courtroom. Doesn't that count as more than "maybe?" If not, please tell me what does, since I have to assume that reports by the Defense Department and the soldiers on the ground who are using this amidst one of the toughest wartime environments since Vietnam are also using it with (thus far) 100% effectiveness are just "speculation" as well.

This is the funniest part of your stance. You always fall back on what you've done. And in POST #125 that you never addressed, this was written and it sums up this point:

Anybody who would teach their students to attempt risky, unnecessary and flashy techniques doesn't deserve to have students. When your justification of teaching sportive methods to your students as a means of self defense is "I've pulled it off before", then you should never teach.

Why write that you've been doing these things for 26 years when you wrote you only studied with Vunak for 3 years? Learning classical karate, tae kwon do or judo isn't combatives, as they are in this day and age sportive and don't put emphasis on weapons. So what are you talking about?

Actually, the reputable school that hosts this very forum claims that MMA is a good way to supplement reality based training. So do the others I've listed, and many, many more. And for your information, the most successful schools in my area are Universal Kempo Karate (which teaches primarily kids in the "street lethal" form of tournament Kempo that's made them famous, and the Defense Institute, which is THE premier school for reality based arts in my area. And guess what? They teach boxing, kickboxing, and MMA right along side their other stuff, and they encourage their students to train across the board because (shock of all shocks) they know it helps.

The Defense Institute is THEE premier school for reality in your area and state? Well Mike Brewer, the reality methods in that school come FROM MY SCHOOL in NY as the men who teach SD there are from VAJ and not the Mike Brewer School of MMA and boxing! I'm glad that you know what is premier and what belongs in a gym hitting speed bags. They might teach boxing and kickboxing and MMA as a conditioning and cardio method, but the curriculum of VAJ is a strict one that the founder and heir will not allow anyone using the name to deviate from. VAJ is taught the SAME everywhere so that we don't have the problems that JKD has concerning everybody doing what they want and calling it JKD. There's a time for MMA, and then there's a time when your ass is on the line and you need SD to keep you alive from weapons and multiple attackers.

I've given you corroboration of experts - namely Paul Vunak, Dan Inosanto, the Dog Brothers, etc. to back up my own experience. And all you've come up with it "Mike can't address the facts?"

You haven't given a corroboration of anything. There are men more qualified under Inosanto than you in NY/NJ alone that will tell you that MMA will definitely get you in great shape and is good for toughness, but it isn't the smartest or even a practical way to fight in the street. Vunak is a weapons man, and if he said that people should use MMA's current skillset and fighting methods in the street, then he's on drugs again. I've got the backbone to point that out.

And by the way, if you're calling working in and from the guard "MMA" then you're wrong yet again, Mike Brewer. Newaza has been a part of jujitsu and combatives before MMA ever existed. MMA isn't even a real system. Its a buzzword used to describe kickboxers who use submission wrestling in NHB events.

Maybe you and your instructors would advocate kickboxing and shooting in for submissions against unfamiliar attackers who may or may not be armed in a streetfight, but then again that's why you're not premier even in your own neck of the woods.

All in all, this is a great debate because more and more of your opinions keep telling on you.

[knifethrower]

Confirming and confirming and confirming…huffing and puffing..

Damn, what a whiny little bitch!

Go little engine bunny, Go! WAHOO!!!!!

[Garland]

**** this shit...let's talk about something important...like why bi-sexual girls are evil fucking fucks just out to destroy the hearts and souls of well meaning and naive men. Succubi. Evil. Scandalous and evil.

[jubaji]

Mike opened the rift all on his own, his continued name calling, denials and evasions are keeping the rift open just fine...add his SELECTIVE moderation skills and I'd say you have the Grand Canyon. pUke just pointed out the facts that STARTED the whole BS fest, pUke hardly created it nor does he have the ability to make it worse, or repair it.

Damn, what a whiny little bitch!

[BoarSpear]

Uke, you're just trying to open the rift between Mike and Boar.

Will you please stop?

Thanks.






Now why did you ask that question, Uke?

Both Boar and Mike are pretty much against this idea of. The fact is - both Boar and Mike are concerned about teaching people how to defend themselves, allbeit different delivery methods.



I'd hate to be on the end of this sport guys move, especially on the concrete with the broken glass, lava and sharks with laser guns on their heads...and if I may borrow fromm jubaji, since my pee-brain (yes I said pee, not pea) can't come up with anything better at the moment.......






Nope. You're trying to get in the way of Mike and Boar.

Mike opened the rift all on his own, his continued name calling, denials and evasions are keeping the rift open just fine...add his SELECTIVE moderation skills and I'd say you have the Grand Canyon. Uke just pointed out the facts that STARTED the whole BS fest, Uke hardly created it nor does he have the ability to make it worse, or repair it.

[Tom Yum]

I have to be honest here

And be dishonest elsewhere, well I am honored

this sounds a bit fruity to me..

Why? You don't hear fruit, you eat it.

Its like you want them to reunite like aband that broke up.

Daaaammnn Straight!

I like it old school!

You know.................gregorian chants.

[Uke]

Uke, you're just trying to open the rift between Mike and Boar.

Will you please stop?

Thanks.






Now why did you ask that question, Uke?

Both Boar and Mike are pretty much against this idea of. The fact is - both Boar and Mike are concerned about teaching people how to defend themselves, allbeit different delivery methods.



I'd hate to be on the end of this sport guys move, especially on the concrete with the broken glass, lava and sharks with laser guns on their heads...and if I may borrow fromm jubaji, since my pee-brain (yes I said pee, not pea) can't come up with anything better at the moment.......






Nope. You're trying to get in the way of Mike and Boar.

Question: How do you get in the way of two grown men? I have to be honest here, this sounds a bit fruity to me. Its like you want them to reunite like aband that broke up. I'm not stoppin anything and Boar speaks for himself.

[knifethrower]

Jubaji and knifethrower are like long lost brothers, you know, like Van Damme in Double Impact....

oh no! man,...not Van Damme...don't do it! man! don't go there!

[knifethrower]

I'll keep on tryin'

You do that, little engine, you do that….

[Tom Yum]

Point in a nutshell:

Go to any reputable self defense school and present Mike Brewer's arguments and be prepared to be laughed at consistently. Mike is NOT a bad guy, but he views himself as an authority which he isn't. He even talks with authority about subjects that he admits that he knows little to nothing about. .

Uke, you're just trying to open the rift between Mike and Boar.

Will you please stop?

Thanks.

I can put up several posts on this topic alone that you'll notice that Brewer NEVER responded to. Yet, he feels he "blew" apart facts and arguments with his own opinions that are only based on his other opinions. When was this? Put up the posts!!! I've re-posted several of the points that you run for cover from. What Mike Brewer "feels" that MMA could accomplish is pure speculation because MMA has not to date done ANY of the things Brewer suggests that they "might" be able to do.

We(me, Boarspear and IPON) have been speaking from points of fact and history. If Mike wants to put on a cape and believe that he's all things martial arts, let him. But nobody but kids on this forum would believe that nonsense. .

If your ideas and methods are so revolutionary Mike, why not open a school and get rich?

Now why did you ask that question, Uke?

Both Boar and Mike are pretty much against this idea of. The fact is - both Boar and Mike are concerned about teaching people how to defend themselves, allbeit different delivery methods.

MMA makes quite a buck for instructors because it provides a competition based environment for them to safely wrestle and kickbox. Now that you've come up with a new, less sportive version of MMA that addresses street realities, you could be rich!

I'd hate to be on the end of this sport guys move, especially on the concrete with the broken glass, lava and sharks with laser guns on their heads...and if I may borrow fromm jubaji, since my pee-brain (yes I said pee, not pea) can't come up with anything better at the moment.......

Either you're doing this to be a ball buster, or we're all now seeing Mike Brewer for who he truly is. Its one or the other.

Nope. You're trying to get in the way of Mike and Boar.

[Tom Yum]

Jubaji and knifethrower are like long lost brothers, you know, like Van Damme in Double Impact....