Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[BoarSpear]

uke still hasnt even told us what he trains in.

Maybe you ought to READ a little before commenting

Uke HAS listed his training in the past, plenty of times...he doesn't need to explain himself to every newbe who didn't read the old threads before commenting in the new ones.

[DickHardman]

btw, i just spoke to a buddy of mine who is a former marine. he told me that the hand to hand combat training he recieved in the corps was pretty much just basic bjj and some boxing.

[DickHardman]

uke still hasnt even told us what he trains in.

[JkD187]

But fighters in NHB DO specialize in one skill. They're called champions.

Crocop = kicking
Fedor = judo
Nogueira = BJJ
Vanderlei Silva = Muay Thai

These men were TMA's and well versed in what they did before they came to NHB events. They've made some adjustments, but anyone who has eyes can see that they dominate due to their core skills.

Actually Fedor is well versed in Sambo more then Judo.He attained the highest ranking ever in Combat Sambo recently.On top of Cro Cop's K-1 level striking he is alot great at wrestling since he has such a mean sprawl.Nog has excellent BJJ as well but also trains with the cuban Boxing team as stated before and he's been training with Darrell Gohlar who is there Greco roman and freestyle wrestling coach for about 6 years now.Wandy has great muay thai but has a black belt in BJJ as well.The point is that yes all started out with a single disclipne(except Fedor and Wandy) and got very good at that then decided to Cross train.....but think about this:how did they get so good at their respective disclipines??? well they trained exclusively in those styles and entered tournaments and got exp applying those skills under pressure in actual competition.Now whats the problem in MMA today? They dont have enough exp in MMA to be as well rounded as some people are....lets be HONEST there are very few people who are actually WELL ROUNDED...why is that?? because new guys these days train everything and enter MMA comp without first getting exp in amatuer mma.Now in Japan Shooto guys are whoppin ass because they have a SYSTEM in place for there fighters to get TONS AND TONS OF EXP in Amaturer MMA Grappling BJJ and Kickboxing/Muay Thai.Now with Shooto as a Style is perfectly blends Multi arts together to fit into MMA....so if you earn your black belt in BJJ you basicly earn your black belt equivalant in Muay thai boxing wrestling etc...on top of your amatuer exp and the rookie tournaments for begining pros it gives the guys a chance to get exp under a great sanctioning body.If America were to implament that structure youd see the change in fighters over the years in terms of well rounded skills.

[jubaji]

quit braggin'

Yep, I don't need to read the comics anymore because several of the "experts" here totally crack me up.

Don't pretend you can read, you're not fooling anyone.

[BoarSpear]

BINGO!!

Those things may be missing from YOUR school Mike. Not from other top self defense schools. Maybe that's why you needed to go to MMA to supplement what you didn't get. But that's a broad sweeping statement that is predicated on your say so and nothing else. Where are your facts? What did you right to back up that statement? You didn't because its based on Mike's opinion, not on any one fact.

[BoarSpear]

Yep, I don't need to read the comics anymore because several of the "experts" here totally crack me up.

The funniest part about this is that you're now trying to label anyone who has ever punched and kicked at the same time as an MMA fighter. Hehehe ...

Your desperation amuses me.

[jubaji]

The funniest part about this is that you're now trying to label anyone who has ever punched and kicked at the same time as an MMA fighter.

You provided the definition, idiot. Don't blame me if you can't keep up with your own words.

[Uke]

You mean they mixed martial arts? Go figure.

The funniest part about this is that you're now trying to label anyone who has ever punched and kicked at the same time as an MMA fighter. Hehehe ...

Your desperation amuses me.

[jubaji]

These men were TMA's and well versed in what they did before they came to NHB events. They've made some adjustments.

You mean they mixed martial arts? Go figure.

[jubaji]

The truth is that no one except for BJJ players would go to the ground in a fight unless they didn't believe in their own ability to end the fight standing up.

If a BJJer thought he could finish things standing just as well he'd probably do that too, depending on the circumstances.

[Uke]

Yeah moron, that was the point. Your attempt to 'prove' that fighters competing in a mixed context are not well rounded because they don't specialize in one skill or range is where you displayed your utter failure of logic yet again.

But fighters in NHB DO specialize in one skill. They're called champions.

Crocop = kicking
Fedor = judo
Nogueira = BJJ
Vanderlei Silva = Muay Thai

These men were TMA's and well versed in what they did before they came to NHB events. They've made some adjustments, but anyone who has eyes can see that they dominate due to their core skills.

[jubaji]

No, you wouldn't ask why isn't he a sprinter because the comment is meant to convey that the player is great at many aspects of the game(baseball) he participates in.

Sprinting is an aspect of baseball (and football, which is what I referred to) idiot.


You can't rescue your stupid comment no matter how hard you try, pUke.

[Uke]

When you watch a football game (I doubt you do, actually - it would be far too threatening to your fragile ego to see professional athletes) and the announcer comments on how well-rounded an athlete one of the players may be, do you start screaming at the TV, "Oh yeah? Why isn't he an olympic sprinter then? Why isn't he a major league pitcher then?"

No, you wouldn't ask why isn't he a sprinter because the comment is meant to convey that the player is great at many aspects of the game(baseball) he participates in.

When you comment that an MMA is well rounded, it also is meant to convey that he is great at many aspects of the game(fighting) he participates in. But when you look at those aspects that he is supposed to be great at, you begin to see that he isn't that great at them afterall when you compare him to OTHER FIGHTERS. MMA's are fighters, and if you go to ANY MMA site on the internet, you'll see posts that discuss and ponder how well MMA fighters would do in boxing and kickboxing. No one compares baseball players to football players, but you guys like to play fantasy football by discussing how well MMA's would do against Bruce Lee, Mike Tyson, and Emin Boztepe.

MMA's punch and have tried to box. MMA's also kick and have tried to match kicks and punches in K-1. So how is the comparison not valid? Is it because in K-1 the fighters won't flop on their asses with their legs open if they get hit?

The truth is that no one except for BJJ players would go to the ground in a fight unless they didn't believe in their own ability to end the fight standing up.

[jubaji]

I stated MMA fighers are not well rounded but only proficient in their skill set.

Yeah moron, that was the point. Your attempt to 'prove' that fighters competing in a mixed context are not well rounded because they don't specialize in one skill or range is where you displayed your utter failure of logic yet again.