highschool wrestler uses unusual move for escaping single leg attempt

[DickHardman]

cool move.....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ef0_1200571074

[jubaji]

Bad idea...

[Hardball]

Yea, that was slick!!!

[jubaji]

That will be a comfort when he wrestles against someone who has seen that little gimmick or who doesn't suck and he gets his fool neck broken.

[DickHardman]

im going to have to side with douchebaji on this one, cause i could see that kid eventually ending up like this dude .....

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEnVbnucYtc[/YOUTUBE]



.....this is what i like to refer to as "not crackin".......not crackin at all.......well, unless we are talking about the vertebrae in his spine that are now completely toast.....that fools day has been ruined so badly i dont think he will ever even able to get morning wood again in his life. i dont know who has it worse, this guy here or those fools who jumped off the roof through that table....

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

he's lucky his knee didnt snap

[jubaji]

If it's a stupid idea, but it works - it isn't a stupid idea.

If it works once against some scrub and that leads someone to believe it will work generally and that in turn leads to some fool getting his neck broken, it is a stupid idea.

I agree that a stupid idea isn't a problem until a stupid person picks it up, but there's no shortage of those.

[DickHardman]

Oh, I agree it's not a move he ought to learn to depend on, but it's much like the old buzzer beater from half court in basketball. It's not a good idea, and it's a very, very low percentage shot.

But if you make it when you needed to make it, it was a great idea and you're a superhero.

I doubt you'd find another video of this kid even attempting such a thing in his other competitions, so chances are, he was just aware enough to make it work when he needed to, and it allowed him to win the match.

What would you rather? That he just got taken down and lost?

now that he has pulled it off and watched himself do it over and over on youtube and showd it all his friends, i wouldnt doubt it if he would go for it again. but then again maybe he watched it and thought damn that move was risky, i better not try anything like that again.

breaking your neck or back isnt worth winning a highschool wrestling match or a jiu jitsu competition.

[DickHardman]

Case in point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ2NHIFTqxE

One time gig. Seen a million times.

Never happened again, and you've never, ever seen it taught at a seminar.

thats kinda different. rickson just rides the throw and lands right. you can learn that through training in wrestling and judo.

[jubaji]

. Fact is, the kid probably never even trained this move seriously. He felt himself in a bind and figured, "What the hell. I'm screwed anyway."

He was hardly "screwed" just because the other guy got in on a single, and he was probably miles better than the other kid anyway for such a shit move to work. Kids do goof around 'training' this kind of crap and they do think its 'cool' and try to pull it off when they can (i.e. against scrubs they could beat without such nonsense in the first place). Its not the end of the world, but it is a bad idea.

[DickHardman]

It's a lot like saying to someone, for example, "You shouldn't have used that technique to get away from the guy who had the knife. I don't care if it worked. It wasn't technically sound."

its nothing like that mike, because losing a highschool wrestling match and getting stabbed by an attacker trying to kill you are not the same thing. if you lose a wrestling match its ok, its not the end of the world. especially not worth breaking your neck and never being able to walk again. if someone is trying to kill you with a knife you dont get other chances if you mess up or lose. is breaking your neck because you want to look cool in a high school wrestling match worth it to you?? it is not to me.

[DickHardman]

It's no different at all! It was a one time move that he neither trains nor teaches. It came out under pressure, it worked, end of fight! Same with the high school kid. Rickson has a much higher degree of skill, so it was smoother, but the concept is the same.

no the concept was not the same. people who train in judo and wrestling, who are constantly getting thrown, learn how to ride throws after a while. that doesnt mean they can ride every single one, but it is not a rare occurrence. im not even good at throws and i have been able to ride a fair share of them. the guy in the first video was not riding a throw, he performed a back flip.

[DickHardman]

Dick -

He didn't get injured. He won the match.

with a bad habit that may catch up to him though.

Personally, I admire a competitor who's willing to risk himself not to lose. I completely understand it and identify with it, because I've always been one of those guys who just flat refused to fall down in a boxing ring.

martial arts requires taking risks, but you dont need to take unnecessary ones for the sake of looking cool. being tenacious and not giving up are not the same thing as taking unnecessary risks that can result in permanent injury and death.

Arguably, standing up and taking punches instead of falling down or taking a knee is potentially lethal as well, but if we were really and truly trying to play it safe, why get on the mat or in the ring in the first place.

not everyone trains because they feel a need to have their hand raised in front of everyone by a referee in order to feel good about themselves.

Nope. Sorry. That kid made the most of a bad situation and came up aces. All your criticism means - given the reasons you've listed (oh no! This shit is dangerous?!) - is that the high school kid in that video is a tougher competitor with more balls than you.

i grapple a lot, with many experienced and some well known grapplers. the last thing i would want to do is risk injury to my neck and spine like that. as jubaji said, there are better/safer ways to defeat a single leg attempt.


and since you respect people who are willing to risk their necks and backs to entertain others, heres that one video again mike, you must think these guys are some of the most badass humans alive by your own admission.....

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGuw09cHHz4[/YOUTUBE]

[Shoot]

im going to have to side with douchebaji on this one, cause i could see that kid eventually ending up like this dude .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEnVbnucYtc

.....this is what i like to refer to as "not crackin".......not crackin at all.......well, unless we are talking about the vertebrae in his spine that are now completely toast.....that fools day has been ruined so badly i dont think he will ever even able to get morning wood again in his life. i dont know who has it worse, this guy here or those fools who jumped off the roof through that table....

whoa! That video is disturbing and very sad. The guard has enjoyed success in sport fighting for one fact alone: the participants are not really trying to hurt each other and the environment is controlled with a soft ground. It is obvious that in a real fight or combat situation the guard is so damn dangerous. Think about it--you have your enemy in between your legs. Yeah, not a great place to be. Sorry, I know that's off topic a bit.

[DickHardman]

whoa! That video is disturbing and very sad. The guard has enjoyed success in sport fighting for one fact alone: the participants are not really trying to hurt each other. It is obvious that in a real fight or combat situation the guard is so damn dangerous. Think about it--you have your enemy in between your legs. Yeah, not a great place to be. Sorry, I know that's off topic a bit.

depends how good your guard is. there are jiu jitsu guys who have guards that can completely control other people and finish them. that guy wasnt doing shit from his guard.