MMA is Not Self Defense!

[Tant01]

Tom... All swearing and sailor talk aside I hope you have an opportunity to hook up with some serious old school guys.

Chances are good that it will be highly unauthorized and fairly brutal but the flavor of H2H will vary from Judo to silat.

When I play that we called it "therapy" among other things. Seriously ramped up randori, CQC or whatever they call it now days.

Years ago (in my service days) JKD was a "bad word" (among those guys) that got little but snide comments about that "pinko" BL and his fancy TV BS... He's just an actor...blah,blah,blah break his scronny neck...
Thai fighters were good sports for the most part, respected but not revered or feared.
Kali on the other hand... Stick fighters could be a real pain.

Once, when I went to Cebu...

ahhh, nevermind.

Enjoy your adventure buddy!

[migo]

You seem to know a lot about MMA... How old is that rule for submission where the guy taps out? Where did it come from?

Thanks Migo

And that's relevant to the age of MMA how? MMA obviously draws almost everything from pre-existing arts. That doesn't mean any of the pre-existing arts are MMA (again, except for Shooto) despite any of the similarities. There are also differences, and it's those differences that make them not MMA. Crosstraining isn't new, mixing styles isn't new. Hell, people like saying Pankration is the original MMA, but you look at Pankration then and MMA now, and there's a distinct lack of guard work. It's similar, it's not the same thing.

[Tant01]

Rules and stuff...

And that's relevant to the age of MMA how?

In the "age of MMA" there are what? Like three or four WAYS to WIN?

KO. Obvious enough.

Ref stops the fight. He has some discretion in the outcome.

TAP OUT. The contender submits by "TAPPING" his opponent or the MAT to signal his surrender.

Doctor or corner can throw in the towel, eh?

Just wondering if you could fill in the gap buddy...

Thanks kindly.

[migo]

Judges decision is a big one you're missing. Corner throwing in the towel is actually considered a foul now, resulting in disqualification, but that's a quibble. The doctor just calls for the fight to be stopped, although it's the ref's discretion when the doctor gets to make that call.

Is that what you were wondering?

[Tant01]

Judges decision is a big one you're missing. Corner throwing in the towel is actually considered a foul now, resulting in disqualification, but that's a quibble. The doctor just calls for the fight to be stopped, although it's the ref's discretion when the doctor gets to make that call.

Is that what you were wondering?

Yeah... points and stuff... D'oh! LOL No contest could also be considered a "victory"..., actually my question was "How old is that rule for submission where the guy taps out? Where did it come from?"

Thanks Migo

[migo]

It's at least 100 years old, and has shown up in different variations almost 3000 years ago. I still don't see what you're getting at. It seems that you're trying to suggest that MMA is as old as the tap out, but that really doesn't make any sense.

[migo]

There's also majority decision, which would be something like 29-28, 29-28, 29-29.

Unofficially there's also pre-determined outcomes, which is when you try to pass an MMA event off as a pro-wrestling event in a state that doesn't allow MMA and you have to provide the athletic commission with the results beforehand for them not to shut you down.

[Tant01]

It's at least 100 years old, and has shown up in different variations almost 3000 years ago. I still don't see what you're getting at. It seems that you're trying to suggest that MMA is as old as the tap out, but that really doesn't make any sense.

If the RULES define the game?

Little has changed but the names of things...

New name, same game. MMA is just the latest spin on Judo (to me). Randori with striking!(atemi) Tapping out was a rule from Kano jujutsu tournament rules...Symbolic "death"...

I've been waiting for this since the late 1970's...

Yay for Ultimate fighting, NHB...MMA Whatever you like to call it? Vale Tudo, K-1 Pride etc.

The combat sport is one of my favorite games...I don't consider myself a "FAN" but it's fun to watch.

Like boxing with kicking and grappling and throwing and finishing holds...Sweet!

[Tom Yum]

Tom... All swearing and sailor talk aside I hope you have an opportunity to hook up with some serious old school guys.

Chances are good that it will be highly unauthorized and fairly brutal but the flavor of H2H will vary from Judo to silat.

When I play that we called it "therapy" among other things. Seriously ramped up randori, CQC or whatever they call it now days.

I'm meeting lots of folks who study MAs in the Navy and Marines, from a lot of different backgrounds. Safety, believe it or not, is are biggest concern.

I'm stoked!

Years ago (in my service days) JKD was a "bad word" (among those guys) that got little but snide comments about that "pinko" BL and his fancy TV BS... He's just an actor...blah,blah,blah break his scronny neck...
Thai fighters were good sports for the most part, respected but not revered or feared.
Kali on the other hand... Stick fighters could be a real pain.

Once, when I went to Cebu...

ahhh, nevermind.

Enjoy your adventure buddy!

Thanks, Tant!

[ninjashoes]

of course MMA isnt designed for a street situation but if adapted right it can be more effective than anything else imo

[GQchris]

That's okay, I got a can of whoop ass ready to give to someone that gives me reason to.

[DSA]

MMA applys the three elements of combat, STAND UP, TAKE DOWN, and GROUND. Take away the rules and you have one deadly martial art!

[DSA]

THE THREE ELEMENTS OF COMBAT: STAND UP, TAKE DOWN, and GROUND. Not all martial arts are complete. Most have two of the three elements.(example) traditional karate only has two, STAND UP and TAKE DOWN. Judo only has two, TAKE DOWN and GROUND. But when you start combining the two, karate and judo into one art you have all three elements to be a complete art. MMA is becoming that art.

[ShawnJKD]

MMA is missing weapons (not that I want to get this whole thing going again), and watching the last Ultimate Fighter and the spread leg "sprawl" it once again was obvious that protecting the groin is ignored.

But YES MMA does make up a great skill set with a high conditioning level that will allow those that practice it to do well at defending themselves.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

MMA is missing weapons (not that I want to get this whole thing going again), and watching the last Ultimate Fighter and the spread leg "sprawl" it once again was obvious that protecting the groin is ignored.

But YES MMA does make up a great skill set with a high conditioning level that will allow those that practice it to do well at defending themselves.

A) how would YOU defend the takedown without using sprawls?
B)how would you attack someone's groin when they're fully sprawled on top of you?