Brazilian Ju-Jitsu

[kingoftheforest]

You're making me miss a very influential CPO from yesteryear. A very solid person and one helluva instructor.

Gotta run.

Sorry bro'. But I bet he taught you a lot since you miss him.

[WildWest.]

Homer Simpson is a legend.

[Uke]

I have never seen any type of altercation (with my own eyes) that a sports martial art like wrestling, boxing, kick boxing, Judo or BJJ could not handle.

So then why not STFU and stop talking about things you've never done or witnessed?

Ok, that's not to say that violence does not exist, but this dreaded "street" does not exist for me. I have said it before and I have said it again. I live a totally yuppified existance where fighting with people just does not happen 99.9999999999% of the time.

So then why not stick to discussing debutants and gated communities?

I understand that it might, and I also understand that RBSD combatives training WORKS and would save me if I got into it with someone intent on killing me. I also understand that most of it will absolutely KILL the person you are fighting with, and that will land me in jail.

That is bullshit. To say that is to imply that there is no control, and self defense has been referred to as "arrest and control tactics" in many circles.

BJJ is a proven entity. Period. Believe it or not.

Proven what? That it can flourish in manufactured environments where rules, refs and padded floors allow for men to box and wrestle? Because that's all they do. And even now the Daddy and founder of American MMA has declared that MMA is a sport that will get you killed as you would be training yourself to attempt maneuvers only suitable in manufactured environments.

My opinion of the perfect fighter? Core art would be a sports art, with HEAVY combatives training AFTER learning to roll, get hit, hit doing sports martial arts.

Who would care about an opinion from someone who hasn't even seen or experienced real violence with his own eyes? That's like asking Nelson Mandela which year was the best time to be a Black African in the 80's in South Africa. You admit to having absolutely no exposure to any violence .. whether directed towards you or anyone else outside of Hollywood .. yet you have no problem offering your opinion based on nothing but your own opinion.

You see, in my opinion the choreographed KATA being done by TTESCRIMA and his crew is worthless if you have never been hit hard or done any hitting.

So you missed the part about TTE and company practicing WWII combatives, huh? Monoglian Wrestling ring a bell? Selective reading and selective comprehension make Arieson a dull boy.

The first blow to your head will render you useless, and all the krav Maga and whatever will not save your ass if you are knocked out!

And you'd know this how? And are you one of those idiots that actually believes that the first hit ends the fight? You probably are as you admit that you don't venture outside of your kool-aid sipping compound.

That's not to say you cannot learn to be a lethal fighter without the sports training, I just think it is harder.

Good god, man. What the fcuk is a lethal fighter? Isn't that the bullshit term that Rorion Gracie used while narrating "Gracies in Action"? No one has to call themselves "lethal" unless they are peddling something ... like the Gracies. If what you do has lethal implications then what you do is geared toward real combat. If you duel in a match by punching, kicking and wrasslin' and rolling around on the ground, then you've trained to compete and let your opponent compete in a contest. Unreal how some people are willing to wade into waters that they have no clue about.

A boxer can shake a hard punch to the head off, and keep fighting.

Oh really? So there's a way to increase the durability of one's jaw, temple, chin, and eardrum? Boxers can shake off a hard punch, huh? So if they get hit on the button, because they've learned to punch and move that increases their ability to withstand punishment? Hahahaha .. like I said ...unreal.

Can someone who has only studied Kata do that? Doubtful.

Can anyone who has ONLY exclusively studied kata even call themselves a fighter? If they have never experienced contact or combat, aren't they walking in your shoes?

Sports arts teach you survival very quickly.

Sport arts don't teach you to survive at all as survival isn't the objective of ANY sport art.

Wrasslin' = Sport that doesn't addresss anything about survival.
Boxing = Sport that doesn't address anything about survival.
MMA = Sport that doesn't address anything about survival.

TMA's aren't sports unless its Olympic style. They are the combat methods of ancient times. The methods aren't modern, but they can work and do take into consideration weapons, group violence, diffusion and awareness. No combat sport does any of those things until someone with limited knowledge and ability tries to jury rig what tools they have into a hybrid street art which rarely if ever seems to amount to anything respectable. There are exceptions, but very, very few.

The rest (other martial arts) are just for fine tuning, honing, whatever.

Oh really? I'm glad that you could use your experience to make that distinction for us.

I happen to respect and admire combatives.

Yet you know little or nothing about it as demonstrated by what you write.

If what KOTF does is any indication of the teachings of TTescrima, then my hat's off. He moves like a panther and looks to be very efficient. Good job.

I thought you said that they only do kata and can't take a punch? Which is it?

I just think the sports arts will get you there quicker.

Of course you think that. They will get you ready for any kind of violence faster than arts designed to get you prepared for street violence quickly. The backward ass double talk doesn't stop with you.

And no, I am not a gracie nut hugger, I do it, as well as some other sports stuff, but my brother is totally into Krav Maga and swears by it. We exchange info all the time.

Wow ... that explains it all. Krav Maga lends you the insight and second hand experience to not only speak and elaborate about street self defense, but also allows you to discern what pros and cons exist between sport and survival methods although you don't actually practice Krav Maga.

Sorry Arieson. There isn't a Cliff notes version of experience in Martial arts. Jubaji is living proof of that as everytime he tries to discuss anything that requires a shred of experience, aptitude or competence he writes stories about getting smacked in the mouth, rolling with ninjas, and when asked about Mongolian Wrestling he replied "I've wrestled a mongolian before".

Dabbling is nothing more than a wine tasting for beginners. Don't fancy yourself a connoisseur just because you've sipped out of several glasses.

And before you reply about not considering yourself an authority, understand by what you have written you have made it clear that you are under many novice notions. Now if you write from a novice's perspective instead of trying to be an admitted novice who tries to write from a position of experience and/or authority you might lose those misconceptions and let jubaji have that gig all by his lonesome.

Take care now.

[Uke]

I cannot believe my eyes!! Everything I've ever said about GJJ being useless in the street is in the fine print of their handbook!!!!!

Well, so much for every argument the nutthuggers ever made here.

Here it is folks, directly from the handbook that comes with the Gracie Combatives system.

The disclaimer states WORD FOR WORD:

FINAL WARNING

Practicing tournament or sport techniques is risky, even if you understand they will not work in a real fight. In a real fight you must rely on trained instincts. If you dilute your training with impure, unrealistic sport applications of Gracie Jiu-jitsu you will hinder your ability to respond quickly and effectively with the right technique. Worse you may reflexively execute a sports technique with potentially disastrous consequences. While there is little harm in sampling the techniques of Gracie Jui-jitsu, you risk developing bad habits if you practice these techniques to the point of developing reflexes.

I do believe that's everything Boar, Uke and I have saying for years and you've all denied it and freaked out calling us every name in the book.

Game, set, match, folks.

Apparently the lawyers made them put the disclaimer in, there it is folks form the Gracies themselves...learning GJJ will teach you bad habits that directly interfere with your ability to survive a real fight.

That's just priceless. It's taken all these years for the mental midgets here to get a bright red notification that what we've been saying for years and years has got some merit to it. Still, I see the monkeys and idiots(jubaji and sag lu) sitting down with their hands over their ears, eyes but NOT their mouths .. and screaming "la la la la laaaaaaaa ... I can't hear you" to keep their bullshit intact and alive in their own minds.

Or better yet: They will claim that the people who invented the methodology that they worship have no fcuking idea about what they are talking about. Either way ... LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[TTEscrima]

So you missed the part about TTE and company practicing WWII combatives, huh? Monoglian Wrestling ring a bell? Selective reading and selective comprehension make Arieson a dull boy.

Yes, it's been very convenient for all of them to forget that Boar and I both began wrestling, Boxing and Judo lessons in the 1960's as kids, we played football, soccer, all the things the V program recommended for kids. Then as teenagers combatives were ADDED to the mix. No one stopped applying their boxing or wrestling skills we simply chose to add more tools to our kit than the ones available to 6 year olds.

Then when we have to listen to people who just discovered something try to tell us about something we've been doing for 40 years its laughable.

Add in the fact its usually a kid, a school teacher or a Banker arguing how effective the sports are in combat...arguing with combat veterans/Master At Arms (Military Police) no less.
















And the rest of your post was priceless. Too many points and zings to credit them all.

Maybe now that the Gracies have admitted that its a sport and using it in the street is using it for something it wasn't designed for they'll grasp its entertainment not self defense. Reminds me of how Professional Wrestling had to own up that it wasn't real fighting either...their fans were in denial too.

[jubaji]

Unfortunately it seems that even though you have real world experience and have cited it

How come YOU"VE never offered any of your own real world experience?

[jubaji]

The difference is as big as the gap between rubber knives and real ones.

So, a very, very, very big difference then?

[kingoftheforest]

How come YOU"VE never offered any of your own real world experience?

You just seem to miss all the real world experience found in my posts.

Course you also expect people to believe you suplexed a guy with a knife. So it's obvious you wouldn't know it if you saw it anyway.

[kingoftheforest]

So, a very, very, very big difference then?

Yes one you have never experienced and you make that painfully obvious with your tall tales of heroism.

[kingoftheforest]

BTW ju why don't ju post some vids explaining all these great techniques, and all this awesome knowledge you have.


First you can post a vid explaining how to suplex a maniac with a knife without getting cut.

I've put myself out there and posted vids explaining the concepts I've been taught and use.

Where is your vids?

Time to nut up or STFU jr.

[jubaji]

You just seem to miss all the real world experience found in my posts.

I guess so. Could you relate one right now?

[jubaji]

we simply chose to add more tools to our kit than the ones available to 6 year olds.

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[jubaji]

Yes one you have never experienced

You're right in that I haven't spent as much time playing with rubber knives as some hardasses...

[jubaji]

BTW ju why don't ju post some vids explaining all these great techniques, and all this awesome knowledge you have.

What techniques and awesome knowledge are you referring to?

[jubaji]

"maniac"?

First you can post a vid explaining how to suplex a maniac with a knife without getting cut.

Were you under the impression that was something I 'practice'?