The Street Figher Syndrome.

[Suzuki_Fanboy]

well, i can't say i totally agree, since a few years ago one of my friends got really mad at me, so he put both his hands around my neck and pushed the chair i was sitting in against the wall (so i was leaning against the wall with my back to it in a chair)...most people would have started trying to shake lose, but before i even realized he did it, he was running out of the room cussing...because i had punched him in the eye.

my point here is, martial arts give you really quick reflexes. they train your muscles to respond to those kind of events and i honestly didn't know why he was on the ground and cussing at me...it took me like 45 seconds to realize exactly where and how i had hit him...so i can't TOTALLY agree, but if you are caught offguard with a truely devastating blow, you could be right.

[crazyjoe380]

^^

that happend to me.. i dont know how i judo flipped some guy but my reflexes just did it ...


then this one fight.. this guy hit me in the face twice and he was on the ground.. because i hit him.... i dont remember hitting him .. can you believe that??

i remember him colaps on my body and i was punching his kidney like hell and kneed his face..

i dont remember the actual punch that made him fall..

wierd..

[CHOKE UK]

3rd dan, you miss my point.

Martial arts dont teach you to be agressive and ruthlessly violent.

They teach you an art.

most are totally impractical, some less so, a few much less so.

I have known some of the hardest and respected guys,
and although big strong and fit.
Hardly ever fought without the aid of some type of weapon.

Also 3rd dan, let me tell you, that most fit strong confident males,whether they are martial arts trained or not will automatically defend themselves with very quick reflexes.

Humans have a built in reaction/reponce, try it on your friends and see.
Go to a martial arts class and try out a move on some one but tell them not to allow you to do it, to fight for theri life, and you will see that any average person can defend himself, it make not look good or be technically correct but he will more than likely stop you doing what you want to do.(unless you are very skilled at real life scenarios). Which most martial artists are not, no matter what dan they might be (no disrespect).

Street fighters have no fear, they have lost many times before and so fight without fear.

The rest of the world has an in buit fear of losing, so they have an advantage.

You dont necesarilly rest your courage just because you fight.

You test your courage when you are fighting someone, bigger,stronger,fitter and more skilled than you,
and you are losing, thats when you test courage.

[crazyjoe380]

i dont see martial arts as an art.. i see it as a skillful tool like a craft almost.. craft and art simular except you treat it diffrently..

Lets not get carried away here..

Martial arts is another tool to survive..

[Suzuki_Fanboy]

Choke...MA's hone your reflexes...most people would not attack when they were pressured, they would have shaken and tried to get the person's hands off their throats. Since I had been trained...I defended myself by attacking , and not squirming to defend myself. That was my point...if that helps at all...

[magic]

When training for self defence you have to be realistic about your opponent. Many of the so-called "self-defence" moves taught in MA schools only work on someone of size/strength/skill equal to or less than the defender.

This point was brought home to me by at a John Will seminar, an Australian BJJ Balck Belt under the Machado's. He said that unless you are training to be a bully, then the minimum self defence opponent you should be training for/against is 100kg/BJJ blue belt/MT trained. If your technique does not work against this level of opponent, then why are you practising it?

Made me look very critically at the self-defence techniques I was learning at the time.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Just because a technique 'does not work' against someone in your dojo doesn't mean it is useless.

Allow me to sum up:

When you train a technique, you do so in a controlled environment and your training partner is cooperative.

So you generally discount some of the 'less powerful' techniques that 'don't work' when your training partner resists.

There exists a counter for each and every technique out there. If you are practicing a technique full to 3/4 speed and your partner knows what to expect, then it will probably be countered when you try it. We run into this all the time.

As a matter of fact, I just finished my test for ikkyu where one of my uke training partners thought he would show me up during my test my not allowing me to execute complete techniques. Throughout the test he resisted full force all of my techniques. He knew, of course, which technique was coming before I attempted the execution. Hell, if I know what someone is going to do before they do it, I'd never lose......

However, the key to self defense is when one technique is not working, move to the next, to the next, to the next, until you find the open door that you can walk through and execute the techniques to their proper conclusion.

We have a bunch of 'little tricks' that when demonstrated for our students, their common reply is "if you try that I will just do this" or " that will never work".

The point they miss until we demonstrate full force (I love that part) is that the simplest things often do work, especially when the uke is preoccupied with something else.

[Guest]

I hate training partners like that. Comply during the "learning" phase of a technique, and only increase resistance when the other guy asks you too. Of course, in freestyle, don't let him do anything unless he out wits you. But to resist all along is chicken shit.

Another thing that used to piss me off was in the old days when I did Shukokai Karate. We had these high density foam pads that one of us held while the other hit/kicked. I'd hold the pads and it could still really hurt if the guy wcould strike hard. But so what? Some of them would really lay into you, and good! That was the poiint!

But then, when it was their turn to hold they would stall. "My belt feels loose, I need to re tie it" etc. The ****ers. When I did get to hit it I would hit with so much hate they would really wince in pain. Made my day.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I'm of the opinion that ol' boy was out to prove something. He's 19 and very athletic. Kept trying to goad me into things. I don't know how many times I dropped his TKD ass as he would attempt to do spinning kicks.


It's funny, we tape our tests. I have it on tape me intercepting his kick, spinning him over and dropping him on his head.

On another note, I caught one of the other students moving away from me, swept his leg in mid air and he landed ass over tea kettle. It was great!

[NHBMARK1]

This subject has been beaten more times than Ken Shamrock a couple of weeks ago, but the "simple" answer is train alive.

Us "civilized" folk wont just go test this stuff for shits & giggles like
a thug might, but thaibox, wrestle or whatever & at least you're fighting a resisting (or close) opponent.

And by the way, just cause Tito doesn't "bite someone's ear off"
in the Octogon, don't think he "couldn't or wouldn't" in the street.

[hammertoe]

I also hate training with guys who don't know the difference between drilling and sparring. Few things are more frustrating than trying to work some really technical sub, throw, combo etc and having your partner go all red in the face as they strain to stop you. Unfortunately I train with a couple of guys like this - they're usually the guys who refuse to tap and treat every class like it's a UFC title fight.

They're also usually the guys who sit without a partner when there's an uneven number in the class

I don't get it though - we do enough actual sparring to make anyone happy, why mess up technique training like that? I guess it's an ego thing.

[jesse7]

Im not training to take on a real "street fighter" because frankly I would get my arse whoop'd .

Im trainging to defend myself from the average punk.

I would also say whatever you are training in would help you in a fight against a real street fighter. Id prefer to have training over no training if I ever came up against one.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I thought you were training to fend off the wolves?

[jesse7]

I am a wolf.

[Szczepankiewicz]

That's why the sheep run scared.