Gracie Jiu-Jitsu vs. BJJ

[CrushingFist]

I am not sure how Carlson's schools work. Different instructors have different approaches to teaching. I would not hesitate to train under a Carlson Gracie instructor though, I have never heard anything negative about his schools.

I take it back about My choice being carley
My choice is a good teacher good heart with knowledge and patient

[CKD]

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"that BJJ is not only ground fighting but its a complete martial art?"
Many members of the Gracie family try to clear it up that bjj is not just groundfighting but a complete martial art with takedowns, strikes, and weapon defenses. Most people tend to think bjj is just groundfighting. There was actually an article in a magazine a while ago called, BJJ not just groundfighting. But what is great about Carley Gracie? I have never heard much about him.

[akja]

My #1 choice would be Carley Gracie or his followers

Why? You're on opposite ends of the states. I don't see a connection as far as seeing first hand what Carleys about.

[CrushingFist]

"that BJJ is not only ground fighting but its a complete martial art?"
Many members of the Gracie family try to clear it up that bjj is not just groundfighting but a complete martial art with takedowns, strikes, and weapon defenses. Most people tend to think bjj is just groundfighting. There was actually an article in a magazine a while ago called, BJJ not just groundfighting. But what is great about Carley Gracie? I have never heard much about him.

Is it really? Because I saw them saying they are groundfighting and then saying they're not.

About Carley> http://www.gracie.com/carley/index.shtml
What I read sounds good

[CKD]

When did they say they are just groundfighting? Here is a link of the article I talked about. http://members.tripod.com/~reylsongracie/reylson.htm and here is Rickson talking about it in the question about what he thinks about UFC competitors. http://bjj.org/interviews/tnfc/rick_int.html "need to grab, punch and do takedowns, bjj has a good base in all of these" and rodrigo http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/interviews/gracie_rodrigo/ "jiu-jitsu also has a striking aspect" You can also just buy a book by a gracie such as BJJ Theory and technique and Mastering Jujitsu if you are interested in learning the lesser known parts of bjj such as striking. BJJ Theory and technique gives a good depth of how bjj's strikes are used and Mastering Jujitsu tells you more about the technqiue.

[GrdStorm]

This thread is totally ridiculous. GJJ is BJJ and BJJ is GJJ.

There is a misconception that they are different because they are totally not. The Gracie family created Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Rorion Gracie just patented the name Gracie Jiu Jitsu in the United States to lead people to believe that GJJ is a separate system than BJJ. GJJ may have slightly different emphasis and different teaching methods however GJJ teachs an armbar just like BJJ does. GJJ teaches the guard game just as BJJ does. Slight variations do not make a different system, just different "flavors." To say GJJ is a separate system than BJJ, we are then comparing it to that TMA bullshit with all the new/different system with JoeSchmoe with a black belt in Tae Kwon Do making JoeSchmoe Kwon Do.

Rorion Gracie grew up in Brazil with other family members like Carlos Gracie Jr. and older BJJers like Jacare Cavalcanti(sp?). They all trained together and learned from more or less the same instructors.

Rorion's own brother Rickson who taught at Gracie Academy teaches Rickson Gracie Jiu Jitsu but is still widely known as BJJ.

Don't let the name fool you, its BJJ through and through.

[CrushingFist]

When did they say they are just groundfighting? Here is a link of the article I talked about. http://members.tripod.com/~reylsongracie/reylson.htm and here is Rickson talking about it in the question about what he thinks about UFC competitors. http://bjj.org/interviews/tnfc/rick_int.html "need to grab, punch and do takedowns, bjj has a good base in all of these" and rodrigo http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/interviews/gracie_rodrigo/ "jiu-jitsu also has a striking aspect" You can also just buy a book by a gracie such as BJJ Theory and technique and Mastering Jujitsu if you are interested in learning the lesser known parts of bjj such as striking. BJJ Theory and technique gives a good depth of how bjj's strikes are used and Mastering Jujitsu tells you more about the technqiue.

Thanks, yes Relyson Gracie's page was where I read Jiujitsu is a complete art, but it didn't say BJJ, but I take JJ said there also mentioning BJJ , but why if BJJ is a complete art or JJ I see more GroundFighting than anything else, and I never seen striking. Another question BJJ would be a good art to learn for self-defense? I live in NYC as you know & you know how the world is nowadays VERY DANGEROUS I can't walk down the street without knowing how to defend myself

[CrushingFist]

This thread is totally ridiculous. GJJ is BJJ and BJJ is GJJ.

There is a misconception that they are different because they are totally not. The Gracie family created Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Rorion Gracie just patented the name Gracie Jiu Jitsu in the United States to lead people to believe that GJJ is a separate system than BJJ. GJJ may have slightly different emphasis and different teaching methods however GJJ teachs an armbar just like BJJ does. GJJ teaches the guard game just as BJJ does. Slight variations do not make a different system, just different "flavors." To say GJJ is a separate system than BJJ, we are then comparing it to that TMA bullshit with all the new/different system with JoeSchmoe with a black belt in Tae Kwon Do making JoeSchmoe Kwon Do.

Rorion Gracie grew up in Brazil with other family members like Carlos Gracie Jr. and older BJJers like Jacare Cavalcanti(sp?). They all trained together and learned from more or less the same instructors.

Rorion's own brother Rickson who taught at Gracie Academy teaches Rickson Gracie Jiu Jitsu but is still widely known as BJJ.

Don't let the name fool you, its BJJ through and through.

Thank You too, I got it now i'm just a beginner was researching and had questions wanted some answer

[CKD]

To brazilians the only sustem of jiu-jitsu is BJJ. When they say Jiu-jitsu they mean bjj because thats the only type in Brazil. Just like how in Mastering Jujitsu instead of saying bjj all the time he said just jujitsu or modern or contempary jujitsu. So Reylson was talking about bjj the whole time. Here is a link that shows some training in vale tudo bjj and self defense. http://www.graciemiami.com/home/page...s/advanced.htm Click on the vid of the class. Also got to the no-gi page and click on the video and you will see them practicing a vale tudo bjj drill in which one tries to take the other down and the other tries to prevent the takedown and strike.

[CrushingFist]

To brazilians the only sustem of jiu-jitsu is BJJ. When they say Jiu-jitsu they mean bjj because thats the only type in Brazil. Just like how in Mastering Jujitsu instead of saying bjj all the time he said just jujitsu or modern or contempary jujitsu. So Reylson was talking about bjj the whole time. Here is a link that shows some training in vale tudo bjj and self defense. http://www.graciemiami.com/home/page...s/advanced.htm Click on the vid of the class. Also got to the no-gi page and click on the video and you will see them practicing a vale tudo bjj drill in which one tries to take the other down and the other tries to prevent the takedown and strike.

Thanks,

I saw the video clip I only saw 2 or 3 striking techniques, how are you going to go to the ground when you're in a street fight? wow you really want to go to the ground in the streets? Not Me

[CKD]

Did you see the no-gi one as well. Groundfighting is not really a choice, it just happens. Statistics show that 90% of fights go to the ground. Besides that if it is a one on one situation taking the fight to the ground is the best choice because of positional control. But BJJ also has many standing submission to end the fight right then. Striking with a bigger and stronger opponent is not the brightest of ideas.

[CrushingFist]

Did you see the no-gi one as well. Groundfighting is not really a choice, it just happens. Statistics show that 90% of fights go to the ground. Besides that if it is a one on one situation taking the fight to the ground is the best choice because of positional control. But BJJ also has many standing submission to end the fight right then. Striking with a bigger and stronger opponent is not the brightest of ideas.

No I didn't see the No gI oNE.. couldn't find it

About fights> yea they do go to the ground but it wouldn't be good to go to the ground if its in the streets (the hard floor) i would like to finish the fight standing up as soon as i start it finish it hopefully in less than 10, or 5 seconds , if its multiple attackers there's no way i would go to the ground

[CKD]

If its multiple attackers I would run. There was an experiment I remeber that had two small dudes take on one big, trained person. The big trained person could do whatever he wanted while the others were a bit more restricted. It always ended up with the big man on the ground despite his physical superiority and that he was trained. In most streetfights I try to finish it with a standing choke, most of my experience in the nightclub world was that most fights began with a hold on one person which restricted striking. If it was not finished within 4-5 seconds it went to the ground. That is with when the person is far enouph to punch. But most started in a clinch so they went down there much quicker. Here is the no-gi. Just click on the vid. http://www.graciemiami.com/home/page...s/nokimono.htm

[CrushingFist]

If its multiple attackers I would run. There was an experiment I remeber that had two small dudes take on one big, trained person. The big trained person could do whatever he wanted while the others were a bit more restricted. It always ended up with the big man on the ground despite his physical superiority and that he was trained. In most streetfights I try to finish it with a standing choke, most of my experience in the nightclub world was that most fights began with a hold on one person which restricted striking. If it was not finished within 4-5 seconds it went to the ground. That is with when the person is far enouph to punch. But most started in a clinch so they went down there much quicker. Here is the no-gi. Just click on the vid. http://www.graciemiami.com/home/page...s/nokimono.htm

Thanks, why would you run they are going to go after you, you don't know whats ahead of you lol, why not kick 'em punch 'em sweep them and stuff and jet. =)

Cool, i saw the vid.

Hmmm.. I wonder if BJJ teaches you how to fight from many different situations? Like you know all the fights don't always start the same way.But what if you guard up to fight a guy 1 on 1 , round house kick from muay thai bomb hes down

[CKD]

Thai kicking? Ussually in a street fight it is too close for that, and they usually do not fall down. BJJ's roundhouse kick is actually derived from MT. Probaly because it has the best kicks.