BJJ or Judo?

[MrPoopy]

My self defense strategy? No. I was just giving an example of where Judo or BJJ or any grappling could have given an advantage.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Oh phooey! That was you in the video. Don't Lie!!!!

[MrPoopy]

I promise it wasn't me. I'm a lot bigger than that chubby kid.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Oh, I thought that was archive footage from your early fight career.

[MrPoopy]

Are we having a real time chat or what? You're replying awfully fast.

[Szczepankiewicz]

yeah, I always get complaints about being too fast...


I completely understand though. If I were the chubby kid, I wouldn't admit to getting my butt kicked either.


I'm trackin' now....

Spanky

[Scott Kano]

Ya even throwing someone with a Gi on isnt as easy said then done. But still if you can execute a throw then your opponenet aint going to be getting up in a hurry.

[jhinds]

Thread

JJ Machado's hand is deformed and yet he is one of the best grapplers on the planet. I think that's pretty cool

Although its clear BJJ has the advantage over Judo in an art on art vacuum. If I had to chose only one for fighting, I would pick Judo. IMO, it's more were rounded and the ground skills gained from it, while maybe simple from BJJ perspective, are miles above your average street fighters.

Despite what non-Judo folks will have you believe there are several Judo throws that work really well in street situations. And because of the randori in class, they become natural from a clinch.

Wild punch, wild punch, clinch, osoto gari to mount, if they are still awake, pound face, and choke or high percentage sub. Not to tap, to break and disengage or transition to another attack.

I think Judo's training methodology, while clearly not the best for street prep, does a better job of preparing you than BJJ.

[brad2]

Re: Thread

Originally posted by jhinds
Despite what non-Judo folks will have you believe there are several Judo throws that work really well in street situations. And because of the randori in class, they become natural from a clinch.

What throws do you find to work the best on the street?

[jhinds]

tro's

Variations of these:

From a clinch:

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/kouchigari.htm

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/ouchigari.htm

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/kosotogari.htm

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/osotogari.htm

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/sotomaki.gif

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/nauta/uchimaki.gif

Defending someone tackling you:

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/tomoenag.gif

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/nauta/tawarag.gif

Slamming :

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/nauta/teguru.gif

[MrPoopy]

It doesn't take a genious to figure out how to modify the moves to work without a gi. And it's not like they only do throws. There's also takedowns and sweeps.
I haven't been doing Judo for very long but I've already modified a couple moves to work without a gi. Hiza guruma works pretty well from a wrestlers tie up.

[Guest]

Don't worry everyone. El Poopy will say Judo is crap if he falls out with the instructor.

He'll even get round to TKD eventually!

[MrPoopy]

Bri Cry, I'm not going to fall out with the instructor because I'm not trying to help the instructor do anything. I helped my old instructor do a lot but I won't make that mistake again.

You would't be saying the things you're saying if nobody else thought Judo was any good. It seems like nobody is allowed to say a good word about Judo on a BJJ forum.

And it's mostly BJJ guys complaining that Judoka throw off on BJJ but it's the other way around. Bri Cry sounds like some of the guys from old BJJ class, never a good word about anything but BJJ.

You and GRACIEAUSTIN seemed awfully defensive but I don't remember insulting the people the do BJJ or saying anything really bad about it.. maybe I'll have to read over the posts again.

BJJ works just the way it's supposed to work. On the ground. And Judo works standing up and has great throws. I don't remember making claims that Judo had better grappling than BJJ, coz everyone already knows that's not true. And BJJ sucks from standing.

Before I left my old BJJ class, there was an Aikido guy that stopped by and worked out with the class. He was a friend of the instructor. I believe he had mostly done Aikido but he also had a TKD background (not that it matters). He ended up throwing a 300 pound guy with an extensive wrestling background. How did that happen? Doesn't everyone here think Aikido is worthless and can't ever work under any circumstances? And to throw someone that big? What happened there?

[kh_s]

how long ?

For an average individual, how long for Judo anyways to get effective, and how about BJJ?

[Szczepankiewicz]

Fish on! FISH ON!!!

Bitty, you're an evil bastage!


Haw Haw Haw.


I will say that Judo is superior to BJJ in the spirit of the art. Judo is purely about the sport wheras I still can't find a BJJ instructor to teach me for the same price....

Spanky