Gaining muscle, lifting weights, and BJJ. Is it possible?

[Frackal]

Re: ROID RAGE!!

Originally posted by Grape_Ape
Ok, This a wonderful thread. I think the lack of wisdom that goes into steroid use has been sufficiently covered. I wanted to point out that muscle endurance is much more important than strength in grappling. Not to mention that having large muscles and the usual lack of flexibility that goes with it will get you slaughtered on the mat. Oh yeah, if you think that you can do something that is potentially dangerous "safely" when many others have failed then you're just fooling yourself.

I have not encountered such ignorance and lack of cognition since I can remember.

I can see that for many of you, my post explaining some of the misconceptions, showing that I obviously know more about the subject than most, went largely ignored ... perhaps it was too difficult to form an opinion from anything other than what you saw on DatelineNBC?

Also, I find it incredibly amusing that someone who is on a board devoted to learning how to beat the shit out of someone better actually comments on increased aggression...though if you notice, you (boardmembers) attacked the subject first....

And finally, the 'black and white' mentality you display by saying:

"if you think that you can do something that is potentially dangerous "safely" when many others have failed then you're just fooling yourself"

- has to be one of the saddest examples of lower brain functioning I have ever seen ... you obviously didnt read my post...I will try to make it simple for a simpleton; Hamburgers, (the things at McDonalds) can be potentially dangerous if over consumed. The high glycemic carbs and hydrogenated fats can cause a myriad of health problems over a long period of time. Many people have failed at eating Hamburgers safely, as evidenced by the fact that obesity is a number 1 killer in our country... Yet this does not mean that you cannot eat hamburgers in moderation and do so safely.

Does that make sense Grape Ape or I should I try it with Twinkies and Cocoa Puffs?

[KAYNE]

steroid users are losers. right frack???


KAYNE

[Frackal]

Richard Simmons thinks so ... it must be true

[KAYNE]

Originally posted by Frackal
Richard Simmons thinks so ... it must be true

you dont have to go and bring up my dad now man. i dont talk about your dad!!!




KAYNE

[superdave]

Frack, they have been owned by you guys regarding safe use of roids, but they have staked their position and are in too deep to just come out and say "ok, you are right". They are going down with the ship (their ideas) so to speak.

[KAYNE]

superdave

do you use steroids? i have heard that it makes your cock and balls smaller. why would you want to make your genitalia smaller? that just doenst make any sense to me.



KAYNE

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by KAYNE


you dont have to go and bring up my dad now man. i dont talk about your dad!!!




KAYNE

He was my dad first!

[diet4ever]

Originally posted by KAYNE
superdave

do you use steroids? i have heard that it makes your cock and balls smaller. why would you want to make your genitalia smaller? that just doenst make any sense to me.



KAYNE

Again, get some knowledge before you give a comment.

NO roids do NOT make your cock smaller. Roids can cause temporarily shrinking of your balls if you do not take precautions. So before you start using roids GET SOME KNOWELEDGE and your balls do not have to shrink.

[superdave]

Originally posted by diet4ever


Again, get some knowledge before you give a comment.

NO roids do NOT make your cock smaller. Roids can cause temporarily shrinking of your balls if you do not take precautions. So before you start using roids GET SOME KNOWELEDGE and your balls do not have to shrink.

I think hes making a joke dude, hes one of my bros from elite.

[CYBORG]

Roids are the best. I like to take Fina and shoot it up my ass-hole.

I mean, come on guys. What could be better than that?

KAYNE, you must be my brother because thats my father too.

ROIDS NO Roids


-CYBERNIGG-

[reyjrar]

Personally, I believe, to each his own. However, everyone has been incredibly childish with their arguments. Personally I believe in the traditions of the Arts and the powers of one's will/mind. I do not feel that steroids belong in MA at all. However, I do not condemn ppl for using them. Personally, I don't think the physical side of MA counts as much as some ppl would like to believe. I didn't get into it to get buff, or to kick some ass. Its not a supplement for cardio or strength training. MA is a more encompassing field. I'd like to think the opposition to the steroids you've seen in is the context to honoring the MA's in the traditional sense. Bottom line, the better fighter will always win, regardless of steroid intervention. I believe a well rounded fighter is a good fighter. I have chosen a path in life free of college drinking fests, free of any sort of drug, free of cigarettes. I have chosen this for personal reasons. For me to accomplish the muscle gain on my own that is respectable without the use of steroids FEELS good. Last year, I began a training program, and I busted my ass 6 days a week, and payed attention to my diet, and I managed to gain 20 lbs of muscle weight in about two months. I don't know how great that is in respect to steroid use, but for me, I had been trying since high school to gain a pound unsuccessfully and I was NOT about to use steroids.

Some people are all about pot for calming down, I chose meditation. Some people need alcohol to "relax socially", I prefer to be comfortable with myself so I can be myself in groups of people. Some people choose to use steroids to bulk up, I chose to experiment for years trying to gain weight, with patience I found what works for me. I wouldn't have gotten the same sense of personal satisfaction knowing that a pill or shot was what helped me out. I'm stubborn, and I like to do things the hard way. I feel there's more discipline in that.

The cases of "roid rage" may or may not be true. Another possible explanation would be people who were tormented for being "weak" for years without a means to defend themselves turn to steroids, use them, and bulk up. Then some course of events triggers those feelings from the past, only now, they can do something about it. This is a well documented result of early childhood trauma AND can JUST as easily happen without steroids.

Again, I do not feel that steroid use in MA is respectful to the Arts. If you're learning BJJ to beat ppl up, or prepare for street fights, to be aggressive, then potentially, roids + MA is EXACTLY what you're looking for. If you're in it to become a tank, don't forget the physical battle accounts for only so much of a fight.

Also, I don't care who started it, but anyone who participated in this back and forth INSULTING has lost my respect, and while you may not care, its generally lowered my opinion of the community in general. This conversation was not disciplined, and all of us lost the second you started insulting people.

-brad..

[KAYNE]

Originally posted by diet4ever


Again, get some knowledge before you give a comment.

NO roids do NOT make your cock smaller. Roids can cause temporarily shrinking of your balls if you do not take precautions. So before you start using roids GET SOME KNOWELEDGE and your balls do not have to shrink.

UHH....JACKASS......I WAS BEING FACETIOUS. BEING THAT I AM FROM ELITE, AND I HAVE USED STEROIDS, I THOUGHT I WOULD MAKE THAT COMMENT. I FIGURED THE INTELLIGENCE OF PEOPLE WOULD INTSANTLY ALERT THEM THAT I WAS BEING SARCASTIC. GUESS YOU LACK THAT INTELLIGENCE. SORRY.

I KNOW ALL ABOUT STEROIDS.......NO NEED TO EXPLAIN THEM TO ME. THAT COMMENT WAS DIRECTED AT SUPERDAVE WHO KNOWS ME FROM ELITE.

AGAIN, DONT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS. THEY ARE USUALLY WRONG.


PS.....TO THE DEFEND.NET REGULARS......SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPS. I HAVE BEEN TYPING IN ALL CAPS AT ELITE FOR YEARS. ITS A HABIT SO I FORGOT TO TAKE THE CAPS OFF AND I'M TOO LAZY TO GO BACK AND EDIT THIS POST.


KAYNE

[KAYNE]

cyborg

we missed you for xmas dinner. shoulda came...that canned chili was the shit. best, and most expenisive xmas dinner yet.





KAYNE

[CYBORG]

Originally posted by KAYNE
cyborg

we missed you for xmas dinner. shoulda came...that canned chili was the shit. best, and most expenisive xmas dinner yet.





KAYNE

Damn! Was it wolf brand chili? I love that shit. I'll be sure to make it this year.

-CYBERNIGG-

[Big Johnson]

Originally posted by reyjrar
everyone has been incredibly childish with their arguments.

I do not feel that steroids belong in MA at all. However, I do not condemn ppl for using them.

Bottom line, the better fighter will always win, regardless of steroid intervention.

For me to accomplish the muscle gain on my own that is respectable without the use of steroids FEELS good.

Some people are all about pot for calming down, I chose meditation. Some people need alcohol to "relax socially", I prefer to be comfortable with myself so I can be myself in groups of people. Some people choose to use steroids to bulk up, I chose to experiment for years trying to gain weight, with patience I found what works for me. I wouldn't have gotten the same sense of personal satisfaction knowing that a pill or shot was what helped me out. I'm stubborn, and I like to do things the hard way. I feel there's more discipline in that.

The cases of "roid rage" may or may not be true. Another possible explanation would be people who were tormented for being "weak" for years without a means to defend themselves turn to steroids, use them, and bulk up. Then some course of events triggers those feelings from the past, only now, they can do something about it. This is a well documented result of early childhood trauma AND can JUST as easily happen without steroids.

Again, I do not feel that steroid use in MA is respectful to the Arts. If you're learning BJJ to beat ppl up, or prepare for street fights, to be aggressive, then potentially, roids + MA is EXACTLY what you're looking for. If you're in it to become a tank, don't forget the physical battle accounts for only so much of a fight.

Also, I don't care who started it, but anyone who participated in this back and forth INSULTING has lost my respect, and while you may not care, its generally lowered my opinion of the community in general. This conversation was not disciplined, and all of us lost the second you started insulting people.

-brad..

Very cool post. Stating your feelings or opinions in this manner will earn you the respect of many people, as it has mine.