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**Sinistar** · 01-29-2003, 02:44 PM

need i say more?

you have got to be the dumbest son of a bitch i have ever seen. blah

**BigBodybuilder** · 01-29-2003, 02:56 PM

Re: need i say more?

Originally posted by Sinistar
you have got to be the dumbest son of a bitch i have ever seen. blah

I may be a dumb bitch but one thing I know how to do is how to control situations and give royal ass beatings!!!

I wonder how many real life street fights you have been in?

**Sinistar** · 01-29-2003, 03:02 PM

this is funny

responsible ppl in the martial arts dont go looking for and picking fights. we dont want to fight. we like fighting amoungst friends, in class, at a tourney. i think we secretly get off on hurting but not injuring ppl.

steriods nor MAs either one will make you a badass. and let me tell you a lil something pal: i lift with the purpose of adding muscle mass just like you. i dont **** around and be a prick, and i havent been in a street fight in a while. a dominating prick like you is likely to get his guts cut out for him. all that unnatural muscle mass, a riod enhanced attitude, yep. me thinks its time to introduce the Spyderco.

**Ryu (JKD?)** · 01-29-2003, 03:03 PM

The Virtual Tough Guy. (philelmore.com)

the Virtual Tough Guy (VTG). The VTG is often quite young, but not necessarily so. He may or may not have useful information to share. What is important to the VTG, however, is that you be impressed with how very cool he is. More tenacious than a mall ninja, more impervious to reality than a mail-order black belt, the VTG needs you to acknowledge what a badass he is. He uses a variety of intellectually dishonest tools to accomplish this, among them vague claims to unverifiable training, crude reverse psychology, and the judicious application of bootlicking. Fortunately, the average Web denizen can learn to spot the VTG's warning signs, and take with his or her posts the appropriate number of grains of salt.

The Major Warning Signs
While these warning signs are by no means inclusive, and should not be used as the basis for an immediate declaration of VTG status when exhibited by a specific Internet forum participant, an individual who exhibits more than one or two of these signs should be viewed with skepticism and even suspicion. Chances are, he's a VTG -- and even if the information he imparts is not tactically, physically, or logistically unsound, he's using you to gratify his ego. Who wants to be used? Who enjoys condescension and pretense?

...I have survived fights by always expecting at least one more attacker than what you see and [I] always expect weapons. The time that I was seriously cut? I was caught by surprise with a guy drawing a hidden straight razor. That was in my early days. I have been fortunate enough to survive attacks with my attackers presenting guns and knives. Usually two or more attackers. I have also come out of fights relatively unscathed where I faced approximately twenty gang members, several times, different occasions. Mostly knives, chains, and pipes there.

...My first fight with a gang? I was in high school ...I was determined that no one was going to get my buddy from behind. The gang guys all started taking off their belts and rolling them up on their fists. We walked out of that fight at the end of that fight and he had no more trouble from that gang as long as he lived there ...It was a stand up fight. I think I wouldn't let myself go down because I didn't want to let my buddy down.

...We showed up at the agreed upon time and place and there were about 20 of the Chinese gang members who were there to make sure there was a "fair fight." Sure, that was why there were 20 of them against the three of us and they used pipes and knives. 'Course we used nunchucks, three sectional staff, and chain whip. That ended the fight real quick.

...Anyway, we could go on and on with this stuff...

Look at Me, Look at Me
The VTG likes to start things off quickly. He'll introduce himself to a forum by telling everyone things he assumes they must know, since obviously everyone is interested in his personal style and statistics. No one has asked, but the VTG is more than happy to march in and announce his credentials to those assembled.

Hi, I'm new here! Let me give you a little background. I'm 6', 215lbs, and built like a He-Man action figure. I'm old enough to have some experience, but too young to feel it yet.

The Mean Streets
The VTG invariably hails from a tough life on "the street," where he accumulated the majority of his deadly fighting experience. Often he will claim to be a former Bad Guy of some type, perhaps making references to the terrible temper he once possessed over which he's now managed to gain control. Much as half the Christians one meets in America Online's Christian chat rooms claim to be reformed Occultists, VTGs quite often claim to be criminals, thugs, and gang bangers who've seen the light. Of course, their brutish pasts would make such folk People With Whom You'd Best Not Trifle -- and that's what VTGs want you to think.

I used to be a real street punk, man. I was the kind of Bad Guy a lot of you are talking about defending yourselves against. I've matured a bit, and grown out of it, but I still remember what it was like to fight for fun. Over the years I picked a lot up from experience. Metal shows, brawls, and street fights over everything from girlfriends to articles of clothing. I studied a few MAs, but mostly reading, and watching demonstrations. As for practice, I've sparred pretty much constantly for the last 15 years with whoever I happened to hang out with. I've had every style I've heard of used on me, and found out what works on them. I also compare notes a lot with my sparring partners.

Unverifiable Style
A known, quantifiable style is the mortal enemy of the VTG. Most self-defense and martial arts enthusiasts are familiar with the specifics of a variety of known styles and techniques. If the VTG were to construct his fictitious background from these, his lack of real knowledge would quickly become obvious, and posters who tried to pin him down would be able to talk him into a corner from which he could not escape.

No, the VTG only rarely admits to a specific style background -- and if he does, the more obscure it is, the better. He may claim to have been taught by a single individual, a Wise Old Asian Master to rival the legendary greats of ancient Japan or China. Most often, though, he'll just tell you that his personal style is an eclectic mix of things he's picked up in his travels. For a lot of genuine martial artists and self-defense enthusiasts, this is true -- but VTGs only very rarely will be able to point to specific component styles. One in a thousand VTGs can try to explain how certain techniques from component styles would work together, but this, too, is rare.

I am not formally trained, but I have a lot of experience. This has evolved into my own personal self defense style. Right off, I will point out that that is exactly what it is. A last resort SHTF survival method when I can't avoid a fight. I say this because I can't point to a style, and say "That's what I do." Most of you guys can pick Karate, aikido, or Wu-Shu out of a lineup, and know where to look up the rest. This will just give you some idea of where I'm coming from. As always, it works for me, but your results may vary.

Those Who Can't Do...
With great regularity, VTGs will admit -- sometimes reluctantly -- that they also teach martial arts or self-defense. It's all very informal, of course, but the VTG wants you to know that he or she has helped others along the path of the true warrior. He or she is that good, after all -- why wouldn't someone with such skills impart them to willing students?

(Another variation on this theme is comprised of Scientific VTGs. Scientifics will claim to have performed some extensive and lengthy period of research into a given topic, and will make up facts and figures based on this personal and unverifiable body of evidence.)

In rare cases, VTGs will actually claim to be paid instructors actively teaching self-defense or the martial arts in some physical location. They normally will be very circumspect about this, for obvious reasons.

I've informally taught SD, but rather than teaching a system of dances, I basically show people how to develop their own skills. This is lumped under training, because I learn a lot teaching. i also pick up a lot from them, who generally know this or that in the other style.

Its Only a Flesh Wound
Your average VTG has been there and done that, man. He's been shot, he's been stabbed, he's been cut. He's won countless fights and lost a few, too.

I've been in a lot of fights, and defended myself from all kinds of weapons. I've been shot once, stabbed once, and cut countless times.

I Don't Want to Brag
The VTG will tell you he's not bragging, perhaps even tell you he doesn't want to discuss his past. All the while he's doing this, he hopes you will want to know. And of course he is bragging, but his boasts are hidden behind a shield of false modesty.

Though I lack formal training, I have enough experience to beat some who do. I'm not bragging here. Just trying to get us all on the same frequency.

Questionable Information
The average VTG loves to be the center of attention, and he wants you to believe he's an expert. To that end he's constantly telling you what he thinks he knows. The problem is that he's basically ignorant -- and, as a result, he'll contradict himself. Apart from contradictions, he'll often dispense information that's just plain false or based on misconceptions. When this happens, other forum members are quick to smell blood.

You know, it doesn't take much to be lethal with a knife. It's lethal for you, so if you can manage not to cut yourself, and put it into the other guy, you win...

...I carry a knife, but it's primarily a tool. I will use it on someone in self defense, but it's not my primary choice. My reasons are varied, but in short, a knife is very lethal, but lacks "stopping power".

Me Too, Me Too
A VTG can't stand it when he or she has nothing to add, fictitious or otherwise, to a conversation. As a result, the VTG often will chime in simply to agree with what's being said. This, by itself, doesn't really raise red flags -- but often the VTG will behave as if he or she has discovered something new when he or she is simply restating the opinions of other participants in a discussion.

Yeah, I've done that. Oh, I agree. Yeah, that squares with my experience. Mmm, yes, I've taught that one to friends and had it used on me as well.

Can I Lick That Shoe, Sir?
A suspicious moderator is the bane of VTGs. The smart VTG knows this, and will do his best to ingratiate himself with those who have power and influence. The VTG knows that many moderators and administrators, being human, are susceptible to having their egos stroked. What he or she may not know is that some moderators see straight through this technique -- and feel nothing but contempt for it.

Wow! I wish I'd written that. That's one of the best quotes I've ever heard.

Legends in Their Own Minds
A VTG can't help but create fanciful stories that are increasingly over the top. As a result, he or she will describe behavior so absurd as to border on self-parody. This is easily spotted, and sometimes sounds the beginning of the spiral of self-destruction that is a VTG who has been caught in his or her web of tall tales.

Fighting with pool cues, eh? I've done that, but if memory serves, my technique was closer to Florentine sword and dagger. The lighter pointy end forward, and low to parry, and nice heavy end high to strike with. Of course, I couldn't cut, or stab, so the strikes where a lot less linear. It may sound kind of unorthodox, but I was outnumbered, so I wanted to put on as much show as I could.

Conclusion
Virtual Tough Guys are a minor nuisance. At least, they would seem so -- except that some people might take what they say seriously. Those who see through their facades become increasingly impatient with the utter hogwash spewed by VTGs, too, which ultimately decreases legitimate participants' enjoyment of a discussion. By keeping the warning signs in mind, you may be able to spot a VTG before he or she uses you (and those whose virtual company you enjoy) to gratify his or her need for attention.

**BigBodybuilder** · 01-29-2003, 03:14 PM

Re: this is funny

Originally posted by Sinistar
responsible ppl in the martial arts dont go looking for and picking fights. we dont want to fight. we like fighting amoungst friends, in class, at a tourney. i think we secretly get off on hurting but not injuring ppl.

steriods nor MAs either one will make you a badass. and let me tell you a lil something pal: i lift with the purpose of adding muscle mass just like you. i dont **** around and be a prick, and i havent been in a street fight in a while. a dominating prick like you is likely to get his guts cut out for him. all that unnatural muscle mass, a riod enhanced attitude, yep. me thinks its time to introduce the Spyderco.

Did I ever say I go looking for fights? I work in a ****ing bar where there are MANY fights. These guys are always the drunk prick that like to start fights with everyone. Unfortuntaly I'm the one that has to go in their and clean up the filthy mess. I do get off on beating people up but I never start a fight with anyone. It's the loud mouth, arrogant fags that always end up getting beat up.

Where in my post did I say that steroids make you a badass?
Where did I say I used roids?

I think you need to put your reading glasses on buddy because your argument is way off the original post.

**JaredExtreme** · 01-29-2003, 03:16 PM

My troll alarm went off about 3 sentences into the first paragraph.

**BigBodybuilder** · 01-29-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Ryu (JKD?)
The Virtual Tough Guy. (philelmore.com)

the Virtual Tough Guy (VTG). The VTG is often quite young, but not necessarily so. He may or may not have useful information to share. What is important to the VTG, however, is that you be impressed with how very cool he is. More tenacious than a mall ninja, more impervious to reality than a mail-order black belt, the VTG needs you to acknowledge what a badass he is. He uses a variety of intellectually dishonest tools to accomplish this, among them vague claims to unverifiable training, crude reverse psychology, and the judicious application of bootlicking. Fortunately, the average Web denizen can learn to spot the VTG's warning signs, and take with his or her posts the appropriate number of grains of salt.

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Nice cut and paste buddy!!!

Why don't you type something from yourself

I merely am pointing out how alot of you guys think you are badasses!! Did I ever say I was a badass myself. I never looked at myself as a badass but whatever. I just know how to fight and that's it.

**BigBodybuilder** · 01-29-2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by JaredExtreme
My troll alarm went off about 3 sentences into the first paragraph.

You sound very insecure

**Kingston** · 01-29-2003, 03:31 PM

Re: Re: this is funny

Originally posted by BigBodybuilder

Did I ever say I go looking for fights? I work in a ****ing bar where there are MANY fights. These guys are always the drunk prick that like to start fights with everyone. Unfortuntaly I'm the one that has to go in their and clean up the filthy mess. I do get off on beating people up but I never start a fight with anyone. It's the loud mouth, arrogant fags that always end up getting beat up.

Where in my post did I say that steroids make you a badass?
Where did I say I used roids?

I think you need to put your reading glasses on buddy because your argument is way off the original post.

lol, there have been some steroids "debates" recently, so anyone with the name "bodybuilder" or "bigmuscles" or anything similar now automaticaly takes steroids

Theres no debate on the effectivness of my MA, my teacher "learned" it pretty much by just fighting, and being given some pointers on human physiology, and psycology basicaly its learning "your way" of fighting.

so whatever he's learned is 100% "good" stuff. Problem is, most of his students training is not as intensive. Also some dont get the chance to use it very often. I think its still better then most anything else out there, but the levels of mastery reached by my instructor, and his instructor before him, will be very hard for the "average joe" to reach. (my opinion on this is "in the works", so dont quote me lol)

I dont think its a good idea to insult martial arts on a martial arts forum......there's realy no point. It wont solve anything, all it will do is piss people off. Not many people will take you seriously, expecialy those who have similar experiences as you and HAVE taken martial arts.

Im glad that your a tough guy, and did it without martial arts *clap clap clap* but i dont think anyone here cares.

**Ryu (JKD?)** · 01-29-2003, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by BigBodybuilder

Nice cut and paste buddy!!! Why don't you type something from yourself

I merely am pointing out how alot of you guys think you are badasses!! Did I ever say I was a badass myself. I never looked at myself as a badass but whatever. I just know how to fight and that's it.

When criticized or questioned, martial arts frauds will resort to a variety of argumentative tactics that comprise the defense mechanisms. These tactics are easily identifiable, and the following list is by no means inclusive. When you learn to spot a few of these defense mechanisms, however, you will quickly be able to spot others not listed.

BAA, BAA, BAD SHEEP

A VS or VTG often will accuse his or her detractors of being "sheep." Faced with overwhelmingly negative feedback, the fraud in question often feels persecuted and misunderstood. As a result, it is everyone else who is wrong -- and since they comprise such a large group, the critics simply must possess a herd mentality from which they cannot escape. The ridicule the VS or VTG then faces is a result of this groupthink, and he or she may feel smugly insulated from derision. This defense mechanism is normally closely associated with feelings of great superiority. The VS or VTG believes he or she is the subject of scorn for the mere fact of being superior. His or her detractors are thus motivated by jealousy and fear (or by personal discomfort caused by the piercing insights and overwhelming greatness of the Virtual Sensei/Tough Guy).

FREE YOUR MIND

Closely related to the "Baa, Baa, Bad Sheep" defense mechanism, this defense consists of accusing one's detractors of lacking "open minds." To the VS or VTG, it is inconceivable that rational, reasonable people would fail to agree or to defer to his or her superior wisdom and skill. Therefore, any criticism must be the result of closed minds -- minds unwilling or unprepared or unworthy of the great insights offered. (One great response to this defense mechanism is the fact that one really ought not keep an "open mind." Rather, as Rand said, one should keep an active mind. Not all opinions are equally valid.)

THEY ALL FEAR ME

A variation on "Free your mind," the "They all fear me" defense is an intellectual ploy that bolsters the individual's ego while deflecting any and all substantive criticism. Anyone who questions or challenges the defender is presumed to be doing so out of fear, insecurity, envy, or some feeling of inferiority. "The very existence of this system is guaranteed to ruffle a lot of feathers," goes the typical defense. "You fear what you do not understand," is another, while "You attack me because I force you to see how woefully lacking your own style or system is" remains quite popular. Those who favor the "They all fear me" defense generally display high levels of arrogance, convinced as they are that all criticism is a sign of their many critics' inferiority to the defender's vastly superior abilities.

WHO ARE YOU TO CHALLENGE ME?

As I wrote in How To Spot a Virtual Sensei, VTGs and VSs are bullies who believe force is the appropriate solution to every disagreement. Part of the psychology behind this attitude is the logically flawed notion that no criticism is valid unless voiced by someone of higher rank or longer experience. When called on their claims or questioned on their opinions, VTGs and VSs often will demand to know the rank, style, and years of experience possessed by the critic. If this information is provided, the VS or VTG will then dismiss the criticism as coming from someone who is his or her "junior" in the arts. This does not invalidate the criticism, of course -- you need not be able to beat someone up, nor need you possess a belt one shade darker, for your opinion to be logically and factually valid -- but in the minds of the VS and VTG it is all the rebuttal necessary. Anyone who has ever attended a commercial McDojo has seen this attitude displayed, too, by the small percentage of students strutting about condescending to those whose belts are at least one shade lighter.

THIS IS NOT FOR YOU

An offshoot of the "Who are you to challenge me?" mechanism, this one relies on excluding critics and other nonbelievers as unworthy and therefore incapable of grasping the person or system in question. This may be because the system so criticized is supposed to be impenetrable to mere "novices," or because the instructor or practitioner in question possesses some quality the critics do not. (Most often, this is some alleged "professional" status, such as law-enforcement officer or combat specialist. Such "professionals" delight in calling themselves professionals and do it often -- lest you miss it. It is very important to them that you acknowledge their status as "professionals," though in some cases they display a fundamental misunderstanding of what the word "professional" truly means.)

MEET ME

Closely related to the "Who are you to challenge me?" mechanism is the demand for a face-to-face meeting. The VS or VTG is forever demanding that his or her critics either put up or shut up. No one who cannot beat him in the ring may question his wisdom, the VS thinks. No one incapable of kicking her behind on the street may dare inquire regarding the veracity of her claims, the VTG believes. Ultimately, however, this is simply a defense mechanism like any other -- for since most rational people do not go out of their way to get into physical fights with obnoxious online personalities, the VTG or VS can rest assured that he or she will not be taken up on the offer.

I'M VERY SORRY FOR YOU

Some VSs and VTGs will affect an attitude of sorrow on hearing criticism of their claims. "I'm sorry you don't believe me," they will say -- and they will express their heartfelt pity that you will miss out on the chance to associate with greatness if you question the claims of the self-proclaimed grandmasters. Alternatively, many VTGs will tell you that they are glad you've had the good fortune not to grow up on the Mean Streets, fighting off ninja and street gangs and Mafia hordes. They did not have such advantages, however. Thus their tales of their street fighting days may seem fanciful to you, but that's only because you have neither been there, nor done that, nor bought the t-shirt.

POT AND KETTLE

Perhaps the first rule of verbal self-defense, in the absence of legitimate and logically grounded opinion, is to accuse the accuser. Cornered, the VS or VTG will be quick to point out that it is the critic(s) who display(s) the warning signs of martial arts fraudulence.

YOU'RE JUST IMMATURE

While the VS and VTG usually display monumental childishness, they often resort to this tactic in attempting to deflect criticism. Anyone who does not believe them or agree with them must be "immature." Any attempt to expose absurd assertions for what they are is similarly puerile -- for what mature adult would dare question such superior skill and knowledge? Blanket labeling of deserved scorn as "immature" has a preemptive benefit, too, in that any future criticism may be presumed by the VTG or VS to be equally childish in nature.

THAT'S NOT WHAT SO-AND-SO SAYS

Closely linked to the name-dropping warning sign exhibited by Virtual Senseis, this defense mechanism relies heavily on the reputations of acknowledged greats within the martial arts and self-defense industry. When criticized, the VS or VTG loves to mention respected and accomplished personalities with whom he or she has worked (however briefly), particularly if some claim to training lineage can be established. If those big names ever had anything positive to say about the suspected fraud you are now questioning, you can bet you'll hear about it in great detail (and repeatedly). Thus, criticism of the VS/VTG can be (falsely) shunted to criticism of the respected personality -- something the critic never intended and something easily dismissed on the basis of reputation alone.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN

Many VSs and VTGs may become -- suddenly and ardently -- very concerned with what relatively new students in the Arts may think in reading criticism directed at the suspected frauds in question. Why, all this negativity turns off the newbies, they'll say. What's worse, they'll tell you, is that any attempt to identify and expose martial arts fraudulence may prompt those with less experience to dismiss legitimate teachers and fellow seekers of budo, when in fact those legitimate individuals could have much to offer. This, the VS and VTG will argue, is unthinkable. (Quite often, this same defense mechanism will be made as an argument by earnest discussion participants who believe very strongly in maintaining a positive attitude. There's nothing wrong with wanting things to stay positive, but in avoiding negative ideas when such negativity is warranted, these well-meaning individuals run the risk of allowing the frauds to do more harm. It is better to err on the side of caution.)

SAY WHAT?

It is very important to the average VS or VTG that he or she project the illusion of great wisdom. Often this is accomplished by being cryptic for its own sake. When others cannot understand you -- or when you decide that individual words have no meaning -- then anything and everything one says can be considered profound. A Virtual Sensei/Tough Guy can use this trait as a defense mechanism by meeting criticism with more impenetrable pseudo-wisdom. Those who respond to say the rebuttal is meaningless will be met with the smug proclamation that they simply do not understand. "Say what?" is thus a very versatile and self-perpetuating character trait that both identifies and defends martial arts frauds.

GENERAL FALLACIES

Because what they say and do is generally not supportable by logic, VSs and VTGs display any number of formal logical fallacies in their reasoning. Some of the defense mechanisms I've listed here are obviously interpretations of these, such as the Appeal to Authority (in the case of name-dropping) or the implied argumentum ad hominem typical of dismissing criticism from those of lesser rank. Other popular fallacies include the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, in which the VTG or VS asserts that no true student of the arts would dare disagree. Then there is the non sequitur, frequently used in conjunction with the "Say What?" defense. A Web search for the term logical fallacies will turn up a number of lists and definitions, and I encourage all readers to familiarize themselves with these.

Not included in these profiles is the most common defense mechanism of all: profanity. A vulgar tirade is neither an argument nor a defense mechanism explicitly, but it can form some measure of defense by providing the VTG or VS with an outlet to vent his or her frustration and distress. Those who resort to coarse temper tantrums should be immediately suspect, for mature, rational, earnest students of the martial arts rarely lose their composure in this fashion.

CONCLUSION

Virtual Tough Guys and Virtual Senseis live in worlds of fantasy guarded by walls of delusion. When you question or otherwise criticize people like this, you are threatening the ways in which they view the world -- and in turn threatening how they view themselves. This would make anyone uncomfortable, for we all have pictures of who we are and we respond negatively to seeing those pictures challenged. Skilled at defending their ultimately unsupportable but endlessly sustainable fantasies, Virtual Tough Guys and Virtual Senseis often are quite adept at meeting these challenges. Understanding the defense mechanisms they use will help you dodge the obstacles they place in your path -- and propel you that much further towards honest understanding in the martial arts.

**BigBodybuilder** · 01-29-2003, 03:39 PM

Re: Re: Re: this is funny

Originally posted by Kingston

lol, there have been some steroids "debates" recently, so anyone with the name "bodybuilder" or "bigmuscles" or anything similar now automaticaly takes steroids

That's the stereotype I guess. Some people equate big muscle with steroids. I don't need steroids and will never use them. No sense in messing my body up and going on a roid rage. LOL I really don't have the bodybuilder look. Just bulky looking in nature I guess. I should have named myself BigPowerlifter.

Theres no debate on the effectivness of my MA, my teacher "learned" it pretty much by just fighting, and being given some pointers on human physiology, and psycology basicaly its learning "your way" of fighting.

so whatever he's learned is 100% "good" stuff. Problem is, most of his students training is not as intensive. Also some dont get the chance to use it very often. I think its still better then most anything else out there, but the levels of mastery reached by my instructor, and his instructor before him, will be very hard for the "average joe" to reach. (my opinion on this is "in the works", so dont quote me lol)

That's good. At least your not coming across cocky.

I dont think its a good idea to insult martial arts on a martial arts forum......there's realy no point. It wont solve anything, all it will do is piss people off. Not many people will take you seriously, expecialy those who have similar experiences as you and HAVE taken martial arts.

Im glad that your a tough guy, and did it without martial arts *clap clap clap* but i dont think anyone here cares.

My intention was not to insult martial artists. I was merely pointing out that just because you know martial arts does not automatically give you invicibilty. Too many guys now a days think that taking martial arts will allow them to kick anyone's ass thus giving them a LARGE EGO. I'm sure you've met your fair share of guys like that.

**BigBodybuilder** · 01-29-2003, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Ryu (JKD?)

When criticized or questioned, martial arts frauds will resort to a variety of argumentative tactics that comprise the defense mechanisms. These tactics are easily identifiable, and the following list is by no means inclusive. When you learn to spot a few of these defense mechanisms, however, you will quickly be able to spot others not listed.

BAA, BAA, BAD SHEEP

BAAA BAAA Why are you posting shit that does not even remotely apply to me. Another great cut and paste job that I didn't even waste my time reading. Why don't you post something useful?

**Ryu (JKD?)** · 01-29-2003, 04:02 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: this is funny

Originally posted by BigBodybuilder

My intention was not to insult martial artists. I was merely pointing out that just because you know martial arts does not automatically give you invicibilty.

-- Classic Troll Tactic Number 1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it was all "a joke," or a "misunderstanding."

**Szczepankiewicz** · 01-29-2003, 04:08 PM

What the hell is 'invicability'?

Is that the feeling you get when you take an extra Vicadin or two???

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