how do you tell someone that their style is crap without hurting their feelings?

[unknown warrior]

I personally believe that there is something good about every style. Every style and system has different strengths and weaknesses. Shotokan being crap is your opinion. You may hate it and find it crap but other people (your reletives) may find it good and an effective fighting sytem. If i was you id just lieve them alone and let them work things out for themselves.

Also have you everdone Shotokan and what martial art are you studying at the moment?

[Crouchtig]

"theres something good about every style" ???

no

some styles do not have anything good about them

stop being foolish

[sk12879]

Originally posted by Crouchtig
"theres something good about every style" ???

no

some styles do not have anything good about them

stop being foolish

Care to elaborate? So far we've got your baseless opinion.

[Roland]

Re: how do you tell someone that their style is crap without hurting their feelings?

Originally posted by Crouchtig
i have relatives who do karate.

i hate karate

i want to tell them that their style is crap and advise them to do something else

Crouchtig, why do you hate America?



J/K - if people want to do Karate, let them. Why do you feel the need to tell them this or that?

[Crouchtig]

i dont think that karate has anything worth doing

its not that good for self defense
its not particularly hard excersise
its no more fun than any other art
it doesnt look particularly good

why do karate?

i dont hate america

something good about EVERY styyle?
if i make a style that only has one move, the move is useless, you cant ever use it for anything

ok uknown warrior, if that is your real name (which it obviously isnt) tell me the good thing about that style

[seeker]

Crouchtig, if you would create a style with only one move I would not call it a style at all. In order to "complete" this thread we should come up with a definition of "a style".
I could say that in order for some way of teaching martial arts to be called style it should have it's own philosophy which works as a base for all the moves of that style.

[Cain]

hmm

i think we can agree on one thing, crouching is just flaming stupid next: what is fun for you crouching, is not what is fun for the rest of the human race.. you know of things called taste? you know.. this subjective concept.. you should try to learn about it maybe you will see the point of it too?


US is full of McDojangs, so is large parts of europe, that doesen't mean that all karate, all tkd, all kickboxing, all MT, all bjj is bad! that means that there are bad schools.. which is something else.. realize that and stfu ffs

[Tcell]

Um, didn't Geoff Thompson start out doing Karate not to mention
Terry O'neil & Peter Consterdine(?).
I don't think it's the art, it's the instructor/practitioner that makes it effective or not.

[Toudiyama]

Took a look at his profile and I am amazed that some-one who only did sportbased martial arts has such a hatred against a traditional martial arts and comes with arguments like not so good for selfdefence
How many people has he seen fail using karate in a selfdefence situation? how many schools has he visited, seeing his birthdate it can't be that many

His hatred for karate probably stems from doing TKD (koreans aren't too fond of the japanese)

In Holland it were the karateka and even a guy from Pentjak who were starting in kickboxing and who became worldchampions
Rob Kaman was the pentjak guy, but he(Crouchtig)
probably doesn't even know the name
Fred Royers was a Wado karateka who became a worldchampion kickboxing while still competing in WKF karate (then called WUKO)
If these MAs are crap why then is it so easy to switch to something else and become very good at it
I once saw this comparison: if you take two hornplayers one from a concertorchestra who studied at a conservatory(spelling?) and one who plays at a big band and learned it at highschool for the schoolband, it will be easier for the former to do the job of the latter, although he might lack a bit of force, than it is for the latter to do the job of the former, he will lack the technique
(although I know ti was a dutch book I do not know from which this quote is)

[Crouchtig]

you took a look at my profile? i feel so... violated

"the subjects deep seated hatred of karate stems from his traumatic expirience in TKD..." your talking about me as if im some sort of mental patient

am i stupid? define stupidity

in karate is it not a common occurance to lower one hand to belt level while the other hand performs the technique?

but perhaps your wordfs have some wisdom
ok ill stop hating karate and start judging schools on an individual basis





well toudiyama i took a look at your profile and i see that you are a lisenced karate teacher. no wonder your so eager to defend it

[Toudiyama]

I'm a licenced Savate instructor too (and a recreational sport leader )

Only in basics is the oposing hand retracted to midlevel, in kumite it will be either in front of chest or the side of the head
But I can only speak for the styles I did practice or at least had a workshop from.

In punching basics the active fist is also left out there (not so in ren raku waza or combinations) there the fist is retracted strait away)


Even in sport karate competition no one will have his oposing hand on his hip( maybe with the exception of Shotokan matches)

Maybe it was just my english but I found the word hate rather harsh and still would like to know where that comes from, have you been training in karate for some time and was that crap?

I don't think I'm the only one who would like to know why the hatred and why you think it is crap appart from the hand being retracted to the hip (hatred amazes me the most)

[Crouchtig]

well maybe some karate is better than others...

i know it seems strange for me to hate karate but we all have to hate something

i once read some stuff written by someone who felt that they had wasted their life on karate and it was so well written that it completely convinced me to hate karate

anyway, as i just said ill try to stop hating karate in general and look at individual styles/schools/teachers instead

ill try to find the website that turned me against karate...

it was something like www.24fightingchickens.com

go to shotokan planet then shotokan 101

ironicaly i was looking for information on karate because i was thinking of taking it up

[Toudiyama]

that website is a Shotokan site, it has connections to Alt Martial Arts Karate Shotokan
Always thought these were the guys who considdered Shotokan to be the only good karate

I can imagine that when you think you are doing OK and after 10 or more years find out that what you have learned from your teacher doesn't hold true, doesn't work the way the teacher told, you hold a grudge heck even hate the man maybe even the style but why all the styles of karate there are(I'm still talking about they guy who wrote the article)
Also he might have put blind faith in his teacher and might have never looked around(an attitude that I see more amongst Shotkan karateka) trained at other schools and also training in other styles

Personally when I think that when people only have been exposed to Shotokan, most of their arguments are right
I do not mean it is crap but that it ineffective in the streets
I think it is the style with the strangest rules which they either don't stick to or smuggle to achieve it
But it is great for building fysical fitness(not pure muscle power) and stamina, it's a nice social activity, it will make you more selfasured, oh it should teach you to have respect for others
And in general..it keeps you(young people) of the streets


To come back to topic: if these people have been exposed to Shotokan too long, even showing them might not work
Will a christian person stop believing in the Bible if you proof the evolution theory to him?


PS
must realy been a H**l of a piece to get you so fired up

[Crouchtig]

indeed. i knew someone who didnt belive in evolution. we had an interesting RE lesson in which he explained how noah had got the dinosaurs onto the ark

it was a good article

what do you mean by strange rules?

one of them is about five and is very VERY active(and violent) perhaps it helps to control him if he can release his energy in a controled environment such as karate, maybe thats why they took it up, makes sense if its a physicaly demanding style

[Toudiyama]

strange rule start out doing deep stances and large movement to evolve into high up stances and small movements
But even 8th dan still do the deep stances and larg movements, then when does that moment come where you can do small movements....10th dan or something?
They inveented the rule that a form has to end at the point it started but in their tekki kata that is actually not possible if your steps and stances are the same because you have to make a cross-step to the right then step through in horse stance, then cross to left, left horsestance, then to the right again ended by pulling the right foot to the left
This leaves you the size of the cross-step to the right which can only be compensated by enlarging the cross-step to the left, but then the last on to the right should also be larger because you mirror techniques there, if you don't you are smuggling just to end up at the same place and that from a style that can nitpick about an inch when it comes to stances