Christian group says martial arts are a big no no...

[Eyegouge]

This religious preachy hate everything unpure, puritan, quaker crap is exactly why I walked right out of my church. I taught a sunday school class (3rd and 4th grade). I still can't belive how close minded some religious fanatics can be, and how many of them there are in our world today. I'm glad I know martial arts so if they come at me with a bible swinging I can stuff it in their mouth, pull their jaw over their dome, punch em' in the gut and make em swallow their own head. I hope that one day people of religion and non religion can get along and not try to convert each other and just live peacefully side by side without condeming the other to hell or utter stupidity.

[OmaPlata]

Found this on e-budo....
damn...have a field day with this guys, enjoy.

I cannot for the life of me understand the utter chaos that religion has fallen into sometimes. Please make it stop.

http://www.bible-truths.org/tracts/martia~1.htm

Cant we just put the religious sheep into the ocean and rest their pious souls forever?

[Tom Yum]

Cant we just put the religious sheep into the ocean and rest their pious souls forever?

Blame Tom....


wait, Omaplata I don't think I've said one offensive thing in your direction, neither have I dang'd you to hell (or heck ).

Sure there maybe Christians who have lived protected lives in the same town for years and they may be quick to vocalize their beliefs, but there are also Christians who have served in the military and fought victoriously against incredible odds or Christians who grew up in gang land and understand the Bible not because someone brainwashed them with it, but because some of their hardened life experiences are put to light by the Bible.

I'm not judging you, because I'm not any better or worse than you as a person. The Bible says that we're all sinners by nature, that means everyone has sinned or is sinning in some way but the reward comes in fighting off sin in your life and improving your character, making a real difference not to make apperances, but to make it the core of who you are (repentance). It can happen in an instance or it might take years to complete.

We do have religious freedom in this country and thank God for the Constitution.

[treelizard]

Sure there maybe Christians who have lived protected lives in the same town for years and they may be quick to vocalize their beliefs, but there are also Christians who have served in the military and fought victoriously against incredible odds or Christians who grew up in gang land and understand the Bible not because someone brainwashed them with it, but because some of their hardened life experiences are put to light by the Bible.

And besides, St. Joan of Arc was pretty awesome.

Yael (not a Christian)

[BoarSpear]

Blame Tom....


wait, Omaplata I don't think I've said one offensive thing in your direction, neither have I dang'd you to hell (or heck ).

Sure there maybe Christians who have lived protected lives in the same town for years and they may be quick to vocalize their beliefs, but there are also Christians who have served in the military and fought victoriously against incredible odds or Christians who grew up in gang land and understand the Bible not because someone brainwashed them with it, but because some of their hardened life experiences are put to light by the Bible.

I'm not judging you, because I'm not any better or worse than you as a person. The Bible says that we're all sinners by nature, that means everyone has sinned or is sinning in some way but the reward comes in fighting off sin in your life and improving your character, making a real difference not to make apperances, but to make it the core of who you are (repentance). It can happen in an instance or it might take years to complete.

We do have religious freedom in this country and thank God for the Constitution.

Amen...ERRRRR RIGHT ON ! if all christians were as cool as you tom we wouldnt have half the problems we have today..or wars. however like the rest of us you get judged as a group...historically you aint the group to oppose.

Even those who supported you got the short end of the stick...Joan of Arc for instance. burn me at the stake but make me a hero later ...thanks but no thanks.

anyway one quick question though...christians often quote the bible to non belivers to back up their statement...WHY if i dont believe in your religion should i care what some book says? Do you hear the dali lama calling for the deaths of those he opposes? Is he less of a good person than say Pat Robertson? Is pat going to heaven and the Dali Lama going to hell? Im pretty sure he hasnt been baptised or repented.

[treelizard]

Even those who supported you got the short end of the stick...Joan of Arc for instance. burn me at the stake but make me a hero later ...thanks but no thanks.

Salutation from Inosanto LaCoste Kali:

I stand before the Creator and mankind on earth.

I am striving for the knowledge and wisdom of the third eye, of the five senses and beyond the five senses.

I am striving for the love of all mankinds and there will be no needless shedding of blood.

I bow down to you not in submission, but in respect to you.

I extend the hand of friendship, because I prefer it to the hand of war.

But if my friendship is rejected, I am trained to be a warrior with wisdom.

I stand in symbolism, for I serve only the Creator, my family, and my country.

With my mind and heart I cherish the knowledge given to me by my instructor,

For it is my very life in combat.

I am prepared to go against you even though your skill might be greater than mine.

Because even if my physical body should fall before you to the earth, I am not worried.

For I know that my spirit will arise to the heavens, as it is unconquerable.

[BoarSpear]

Salutation from Inosanto LaCoste Kali:

I stand before the Creator and mankind on earth.

I am striving for the knowledge and wisdom of the third eye, of the five senses and beyond the five senses.

I am striving for the love of all mankinds and there will be no needless shedding of blood.

I bow down to you not in submission, but in respect to you.

I extend the hand of friendship, because I prefer it to the hand of war.

But if my friendship is rejected, I am trained to be a warrior with wisdom.

I stand in symbolism, for I serve only the Creator, my family, and my country.

With my mind and heart I cherish the knowledge given to me by my instructor,

For it is my very life in combat.

I am prepared to go against you even though your skill might be greater than mine.

Because even if my physical body should fall before you to the earth, I am not worried.

For I know that my spirit will arise to the heavens, as it is unconquerable.

Oh so if all your warriors believe in a better life after they die fighting to protect your kingdom they will fight harder? maybe even embrace death making your warriors truly fanatical? Wow good idea

[treelizard]

That's not what I'm saying at all, just that St. Joan of Arc was more worried about her soul than her physical body. (Oh and by the way, I don't know what you mean by "your warriors" and I certainly don't have a kingdom...)

Oh so if all your warriors believe in a better life after they die fighting to protect your kingdom they will fight harder? maybe even embrace death making your warriors truly fanatical? Wow good idea

[BoarSpear]

That's not what I'm saying at all, just that St. Joan of Arc was more worried about her soul than her physical body. (Oh and by the way, I don't know what you mean by "your warriors" and I certainly don't have a kingdom...)

I can see how you arent able to understand the concept, after all you are defending religion as a self defense technique .

allow me to explain...that creed and all creeds are taken by groups pledging their allegence to something and that thing usually has a living figure head. That person would have realized people who thought the meek inherit the earth and that all their rewards come after death will not rise up against an unfair ruler (that wouldnt be meek...or turning the cheek). Now add that the rewards for being good and following the leader (who is of course a christian, muslim etc, whatever) come after death. Also reinforce the idea that god is involved by putting him in as many oaths and pledges as possible (dont forget to mention him on the money, the bankers will like that) now that you have the people conditioned to obey...mention that after death warriors (and "good little boys n girls) are rewarded ... death is better than life? I will be rewarded after death? well shit where do i sign up!

[treelizard]

BoarSpear,

I certainly understand the concept, I just wanted to point out that I'm not St. Joan.

One thing that has helped me in my most trying times is to think of something greater than myself. This does not have to be God or religion, it can be something as simple as, "I *have* to get home safely because other people depend on me." So it can be one's family, it can even be one's country.

I do not consider myself a warrior by any means, I am just trying to get by, but I am very grateful for people who put themselves on the line because they care about something greater than themselves, whether that be their family, their country or their God. (If they are on our side, that is!!)

I am certainly not in the business of trying to coerce or force other people to do this. I am just glad that people keep hearing that call because otherwise the world would be completely wiped out.

I also don't think it's my place or anyone's place to tell people what they can or cannot believe in to help them get their job done. If someone wants to dip their bullets in holy water, wear lucky socks, hell whatever it takes. I have met people who believe that dying for their country, family or God is an honor and words can't express how grateful I am for their service.

I am sorry my spiritual beliefs offend you, but I know that some of the guys that are out there are grateful for my prayers and that I have my candle lit for them.

Yael

[Tom Yum]

anyway one quick question though...christians often quote the bible to non belivers to back up their statement...WHY if i dont believe in your religion should i care what some book says? Do you hear the dali lama calling for the deaths of those he opposes? Is he less of a good person than say Pat Robertson? Is pat going to heaven and the Dali Lama going to hell? Im pretty sure he hasnt been baptised or repented.

I see what you mean. Well, we believe that the words of the Bible God's or God inspired and we believe it to be true through faith in God and from testimonies of how by living according to the Bible, our lives have been changed for the better. I guess in the heat of an argument, I could see someone jumping the gun without that explanation.

I try my best to understand people of other faiths so that we can get along in this world even though we disagree.

Is the Dali Lama a worse person than Pat Robertson? I don't know. I've never met either of them but probably not. I'd bet that Dali Lama is a compassionate, peacfull and wise person. True, he hasn't been baptized or repented - I'm going to leave judgement to a higher power, but technically speaking he would have to answer before God and if I knew His plan for Dali Lama, I'd be something else...

[Tom Yum]

Allow me to explain...that creed and all creeds are taken by groups pledging their allegence to something and that thing usually has a living figure head. That person would have realized people who thought the meek inherit the earth and that all their rewards come after death will not rise up against an unfair ruler (that wouldnt be meek...or turning the cheek).:

Actually alot of rewards come during life as well. For example, the old addage of reaping what you sew. If you show grace to someone, they may or may not be glad about it but in some future situation someone through God may show grace to you. This is not unique to just Christians, allthough it is in the Bible. Other faiths call it karma.

Now add that the rewards for being good and following the leader (who is of course a christian, muslim etc, whatever) come after death. Also reinforce the idea that god is involved by putting him in as many oaths and pledges as possible (dont forget to mention him on the money, the bankers will like that) now that you have the people conditioned to obey...mention that after death warriors (and "good little boys n girls) are rewarded ... death is better than life? I will be rewarded after death? well shit where do i sign up!

Well the only thing we know a little about is life and for the after life, we turn to our religious beliefs.

[BoarSpear]

Actually alot of rewards come during life as well. For example, the old addage of reaping what you sew. If you show grace to someone, they may or may not be glad about it but in some future situation someone through God may show grace to you. This is not unique to just Christians, allthough it is in the Bible. Other faiths call it karma.





Well the only thing we know a little about is life and for the after life, we turn to our religious beliefs.

You reap what you sew...sounds like Karma to me But since you mentioned it...Hitler and Che Guevara are 2 people who went to jail for political reasons...were let out and rose to great power changing the world...you reap what you sew. When fanatics try to rule the world...jail is not the solution.
neither is compassion...execute them. oh wait the religous people might object...see my point? religous beliefs (not common sense) shape EVERYONE ELSE'S world

[Sensei Saki]

Thanks for telling me:
said I reap what me sew.What does Karma to him or her smile But since you mentioned it sound like? Hitler was an evil man if there ever was one.I don't know if they were.Do you mind if I tell other people:
said I reap what me sew.:-) The past and future are one.What is jail?
I think so, but I'm not sure.

Ask German Alice
if it is.
Perhaps I'm just expressing my own concern about it.Yeah that's right. I'm waiting. Tell me more.I see. Where did you get your point?
In the context of religous beliefs not common sense shape EVERYONE ELSE'S world mad, I don't understand "Oh you are a poet."

[Oraenor]

Another one of those fundamentalist redneck christian propaganda. What they do not realise is that they are just another offspring of a jewish cult that went wrong.I wonder if they are against science as well?