Muay Thai vs Western Boxing

[Tom Yum]

hello,

oh yeah!!! choreography will be amazing... at least as good as the drewcarey show. chaps will be a must!!!

git along little dowgies!!!!

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

thanks.

Anytime. lol

[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

reenactmants from our favorite episodes of baywatch are also on the agenda.

anything involving slow motion running will gain extra cool points. slow motion doggystyle rear naked ANYTHING is likely to win a nobel peace prize!!!!

PLACES PEOPLE!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

thanks.

[Yessir]

I'd put my money on the MT fighter, he has a larger arsenal than the boxer, and if he knows how to use it, it can be devastating.

How ever I do believe that you learn to defend yourself effectively faster by practicing western boxing in that you don't have to learn as many techniques.

Also most fights start with an "interview". (What are you looking at etc.) And doing this smack talk session the aggressor will usually try to get close enough to suckerpunch you.

[Vapor]

"Originally Posted by hEmPY View Post
they actually say

elbow beatz a punch

knee beatz a kick

dumb fuckz"

AMEN! Finally somebody fucking said it. Who was that dumb son of a bitch anyway?

Do you realize he's calling you out? I made reference to some old Muay Thai saying which went something like that, hoping someone would know what the proper order was. It also included "kick beats punch" because obviously you can kick someone but they can't punch you back. That's why you can defend with foot jabs. It's a range issue (translation for fucking idiots and Garland: kick go farther than punch. so kick hit. punch dont). What does this have to do with boxing versus kickboxing? Well, a boxer doesn't kick, but a kickboxer does, so since kick beats punch... god... you're fucking dumb...

Yes, you do have a teenage angst problem. Nice pics by the way. I hope you finally find the mailorder husband you're looking for. What are you, posing? No one gives a **** what you look like... twat.

[Garland]

Do you realize he's calling you out?

It's a range issue (translation for fucking idiots and Garland: kick go farther than punch. so kick hit. punch dont). What does this have to do with boxing versus kickboxing?

Ahem...fuckwit...It isn't a range issue...IF you can cover the distance, a kick can beat a punch...but elbows and knees are where you can inflict some greivous fucking harm. Why waste the time tip-toeing at long range when you can CLOSE and put the bastard in a body bag? How long have you been fighting? I HATE you outboxing bitches...get in close and GET IT DONE. KNEE KNEE KNEE KNEE...and if your mean, CUT with the ELBOWS.

a certain strike doesn't beat anything...distance is bullshit...it's about timing, rhythm, and opening shit up so that you can use the tools you've polished the best. In mid-range...kicks mean shit...I'd rather be punching, or taking hits to close and pull you into a prummb...so I can flatten your thick skull with knees.

[Vapor]

Closing the distance... wow it's that easy? Mike Tyson spent a whole lot of time training to close the distance on fighters who had longer reach. Buakaw destroyed Masato (a trained boxer and kickboxer much superior in skill than you) in K-1 just using teeps because it was just that easy. A teep isn't even an offensive kick in general and it still allowed him to control the fight.

The saying is just a general rule of thumb because if you're in close enough to punch, you can close it up (provided you have your opponant against the ropes or a wall in a street fight or are assuming opponants behave like stationary heavy bags) and elbow someone in the face and prevent any punches from even being thrown - elbow beats punch. Obviously this isn't meant to dictate what you do in a fight or even in a street fight, because a street fight is all about knocking the other guy down, and dragging him by the foot into a telephone pole and breaking his knee with a stomp, which has nothing to do with boxing or muay thai besides fitness.

Oh you hate outboxers... is that what you cry about when you get "outboxed"? You seem to me as someone who has never been in a fight or is bullying people 2 weight classes down, because you can't just say "Why waste the time tip-toeing at long range when you can CLOSE and put the bastard in a body bag" and walk up to someone and start throwing elbows and knees. If you think that way, you're gonna go in and down with broken ribs and a kicked in soloplex. Why do you think muay thai includes kicks?

god, I hate dumb kids.

[Garland]

Closing the distance... wow it's that easy?

A teep isn't even an offensive kick in general and it still allowed him to control the fight.

You seem to me as someone who has never been in a fight or is bullying people 2 weight classes down, because you can't just say "Why waste the time tip-toeing at long range when you can CLOSE and put the bastard in a body bag" and walk up to someone and start throwing elbows and knees. If you think that way, you're gonna go in and down with broken ribs and a kicked in soloplex.

So all you do is teep? Closing the distance ISN'T easy, and requires the same amount of technical skill as trying to outbox. I have fought amatuer muay thai fights, and I have also been in fights of the other nature...Quite frankly, your OPINION means shit to me, because I do understand the technical nature of the game.

Oh, yeah Vapor...I NEVER teep or kick...??! God you're a condescending prick...that's the problem with douchebags like you, you think you know absolutely fucking everything about everything.

It all comes down to a matter of personal preference, as well as body type... I am generally SHORTER so I like to CLOSE so I can fight without the taller asshole with the longer reach keeping me at a disadvantage.
Naturally, throughout the course of the fight, and as a means to get in on my opponent, I will have to use other tools besides close range ones...and out of all of the tools I have I actually prefer my kicks...

That makes sense, huh?

Oh, and thanks for comparing me to Masato...NO SHIT SHERLOCK...how do you size up to him??? Or are you superior...you probably fucking think you are, huh?

How long have YOU been training and under who's instruction?

[sportmuaythai]

I'd like to clarify the three types of muaythai fighters as they are classified by Thais.
1 The technical fighter: Nimble on his feet, fast and beautiful weapon execution and defense technique. Good all round fighter. Good eyes. Weaknesses, weapons lack decisive knocking authority, and not so durable, both physical and endurance. Likely to loose to clinchers (knee fighters).
2 The clincher: Great stamina, and very durable. can absorb heavy punishment and wear down his opponent. Knee is the primary weapon. Weaknesses, slow and sometime approach opponent with loose guard. Can get KOed by punch or elbow.It's rare to see a clincher go down by kick. Thais call these fighters "invester". They use their body as capital, and suffer physical damage. Most likely to loose by KO to puncher. Fighting span is quite short due to damage suffered.
3 The puncher Decisive KO power. Like clincher, weapons are limited. Generally good with both hands and elbows plus heavy leg kick. Usually, it's jab to open guard, followed by straight KO punch. Other wise, it's jab to draw attention away and then leg kick to drop guard. However, can be slower than technical fighter.
Weaknesses, not good endurance, but quite durable. Most likely to loose to technical fighter, because a puncher cannot get close or be quick enough to deliver knock out blow.

From above, you can see it's a triangle. Technical fighter usually beat a puncher who will beat a clincher who in turn will beat the technical fighter. Generally speaking.

[fire cobra]

Great post Sport Muay,i have heard the same many times in thailand,thanks for reminding me!.

[A-Zo]

A lot depends on the fighter and not just the style. It's hard to gauge which one would win, and even harder to find someone equally matched.

[legshot420]

It's not about which art is better because that is subject to opinion but who is the better fighter. If it's a street fight then nothing is prohibited so I'm going to say whoever has the gun.

[Shaman Of Sexy]

I'll say muay thai.
Muay thai is tougher.

[Ginvera]

I'll say muay thai.
Muay thai is tougher.

Hi. Between the 2 fighters, the better trained, better conditioned person will have higher chances of winning. It is usually the fighter more than the art that prevail. So, you can't say Muay Thai is tougher.

[Tee Sok]

That's interesting, Lorenzo.
I recently saw a very explanatory tape on British pugilism, it's totally geared towards real confrontations and quick fight endings. I mean forget the ring and jabbing the opponent and the gloves or setting up openings like boxers usually do.
The system I practiced the most by far is boxing and it is very good. and yes I would use it more naturally to defend myself, but I admit that the weight difference, the environment and so on call for another strategy and system and I think pugilism would be better. something to look up and train.

It makes me think about ancient Thai bare-knuckle and what we see today in Thailand, it looks good on tape, in techniques demos but I don't think it would work in reality, my immediate reaction when I see these kind of demos (I think about most Chaiya videos I see, for instance) is that ring boxing and therefore muaythai synthesized things better.

hello,

loaded question.

by western boxing, what do you mean? do you mean the stuff they do on tv? oscardelahoya/floydmayweather?

or do you mean actual pugilism? these are two different things.

pugilists used knees to legs, used clinch, used elbows, used kicking.

as far as your question: who has better hands? well, neither. the individual techniques known by players of both styles are comparable. what makes the difference is how each player handles range.

majapahit fighters tend to use serious punching as a finishing method, whereas, european fighters tended to use punching to control position.

lastly... sagat vs balrog.... sagat!!

thanks

[russBboxin]

okay first post on here and I know and my first comment is this whole which style vs style is better get old after a bit but since I am a boxer im gonna weigh in on it. First off I agree with the its more of the individual fighters abilities than the arts themselves both arts are highly effective at inflicting fight ending damage quickly. Another thing, GARLAND you made the comment and if your mean use your elbows for cutting, if you punch right and use the proper weight transfer and your given athletic abilities/strenght and speed you will cause facial cuts with your fists trust me on this. Also you need to take into account a street fight situation everyone is going to be wearing shoes and at the least flip flops either way that means high kicks are most likely out or slowed down to an extent. so maybe there is a low kick or a kick to the chest/liver upper body area what have you but boxers will take a hit to give a good hit and if your throwing a low kick and they are closing the distance even if you connect they will most likely make sure they tag you best they can in the face. another thing boxers have is the fact we spar full contact 3 or more times a week usually advanced boxers spar almost every night. I agree that muay thai has a devestating clinch, but if you are caught reaching for a boxer they will punch when you are reaching for your head. and in dirty boxing we throw elbows, step on feet then Tee off, while you try to pull our foot out, head butts are always fun, and of corse the punch to the throat or the occasional low blow. I love both styles, wish I had a muay thai instructor, but have only had the chance to train with a couple of other soldiers that have muay thai expirience. most of my out of ring fights have involved my boxing then a slam (reverting to my highschool wrestling) then more punches or elbows. anyways I am not saying boxing as a style is better I was just pointing out boxing related scenario for a fight. I think both styles are awesome, but have noticed that my 2 buddies that do muay thai arent that great of punchers. OH one last comment I think it was GARLAND that was complaining about people out boxing, guess muhammad ali was one of those pussy outboxing "bitches", you might keep in mind just because something doesnt work for you, doesnt mean it doesnt work.