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  • Great post Sport Muay,i have heard the same many times in thailand,thanks for reminding me!.

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    • A lot depends on the fighter and not just the style. It's hard to gauge which one would win, and even harder to find someone equally matched.

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      • It's not about which art is better because that is subject to opinion but who is the better fighter. If it's a street fight then nothing is prohibited so I'm going to say whoever has the gun.

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        • I'll say muay thai.
          Muay thai is tougher.

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          • Originally posted by Shaman Of Sexy View Post
            I'll say muay thai.
            Muay thai is tougher.
            Hi. Between the 2 fighters, the better trained, better conditioned person will have higher chances of winning. It is usually the fighter more than the art that prevail. So, you can't say Muay Thai is tougher.

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            • That's interesting, Lorenzo.
              I recently saw a very explanatory tape on British pugilism, it's totally geared towards real confrontations and quick fight endings. I mean forget the ring and jabbing the opponent and the gloves or setting up openings like boxers usually do.
              The system I practiced the most by far is boxing and it is very good. and yes I would use it more naturally to defend myself, but I admit that the weight difference, the environment and so on call for another strategy and system and I think pugilism would be better. something to look up and train.

              It makes me think about ancient Thai bare-knuckle and what we see today in Thailand, it looks good on tape, in techniques demos but I don't think it would work in reality, my immediate reaction when I see these kind of demos (I think about most Chaiya videos I see, for instance) is that ring boxing and therefore muaythai synthesized things better.


              Originally posted by lorenzodamarith View Post
              hello,

              loaded question.

              by western boxing, what do you mean? do you mean the stuff they do on tv? oscardelahoya/floydmayweather?

              or do you mean actual pugilism? these are two different things.

              pugilists used knees to legs, used clinch, used elbows, used kicking.

              as far as your question: who has better hands? well, neither. the individual techniques known by players of both styles are comparable. what makes the difference is how each player handles range.

              majapahit fighters tend to use serious punching as a finishing method, whereas, european fighters tended to use punching to control position.

              lastly... sagat vs balrog.... sagat!!

              thanks

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              • okay first post on here and I know and my first comment is this whole which style vs style is better get old after a bit but since I am a boxer im gonna weigh in on it. First off I agree with the its more of the individual fighters abilities than the arts themselves both arts are highly effective at inflicting fight ending damage quickly. Another thing, GARLAND you made the comment and if your mean use your elbows for cutting, if you punch right and use the proper weight transfer and your given athletic abilities/strenght and speed you will cause facial cuts with your fists trust me on this. Also you need to take into account a street fight situation everyone is going to be wearing shoes and at the least flip flops either way that means high kicks are most likely out or slowed down to an extent. so maybe there is a low kick or a kick to the chest/liver upper body area what have you but boxers will take a hit to give a good hit and if your throwing a low kick and they are closing the distance even if you connect they will most likely make sure they tag you best they can in the face. another thing boxers have is the fact we spar full contact 3 or more times a week usually advanced boxers spar almost every night. I agree that muay thai has a devestating clinch, but if you are caught reaching for a boxer they will punch when you are reaching for your head. and in dirty boxing we throw elbows, step on feet then Tee off, while you try to pull our foot out, head butts are always fun, and of corse the punch to the throat or the occasional low blow. I love both styles, wish I had a muay thai instructor, but have only had the chance to train with a couple of other soldiers that have muay thai expirience. most of my out of ring fights have involved my boxing then a slam (reverting to my highschool wrestling) then more punches or elbows. anyways I am not saying boxing as a style is better I was just pointing out boxing related scenario for a fight. I think both styles are awesome, but have noticed that my 2 buddies that do muay thai arent that great of punchers. OH one last comment I think it was GARLAND that was complaining about people out boxing, guess muhammad ali was one of those pussy outboxing "bitches", you might keep in mind just because something doesnt work for you, doesnt mean it doesnt work.

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                • Welcome Russ!

                  I'm a huge fan of both like yourself. You mention that muaythai fighters don't spar full-contact - they do. Guys who are prepairing for fights do as much ring work across the board, whether muaythai or boxing.

                  Muaythai fighters are ok with taking hits too. The difference? The contact they are used to is spread over the entire body - kicks targeted to the lead leg, body, head, knees targeted to the leg, body, head and the same boxing punches, muaythai guys head butt, stomp and other stuff too - from my limited experience, most muaythai fighters haven't experienced the equivalent punching power of an experienced boxer, which can be a wake up call. At the same time, most boxers probably haven't been hit full on by a thai kick or knee.

                  My vote still goes for whomever can land first and eventually last.

                  Great to have you here and welcome aboard!

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                  • thanks for welcoming me aboard! I am pretty much in agreement with you about the first one to score the most damage winning. I didnt realize that thai fighters sparred full contact like boxers do all the time, the people I have trained with told me muay thai usually doesnt incorporate knees and elbows in "sparring" matches but uses them in actual competitions and fights. So I guess another quesiton along this line would be for fight fans, there has been talks of an anderson silva vs roy jones fight. who do you guys think would win? anderson has expressed his desire to box roy jones jr in american boxing rules, and jones has mentioned fighting anderson silva in the ufc thoughts?

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                    • Originally posted by russBboxin View Post
                      thanks for welcoming me aboard! I am pretty much in agreement with you about the first one to score the most damage winning. I didnt realize that thai fighters sparred full contact like boxers do all the time
                      Muaythai fighters, like boxers, can only win from a knockout, TKO or by decision. They are fighters. As I understand it, sparring doesn't make up 100% of a fighters training - alot of it is conditioning (running, skipping, weight training, swimming) and drills (mitts, pads, bags, isolation training - working on scoring with a technique etc. and finally sparring)

                      Here's a link to a Muaythai camp in Thailand.



                      Why?

                      If you intend on making a career or atleast an active amateur hobby out of fighting, you can't afford to sustain frequent injuries. You don't have to spar full-contact everyday to be a decent boxer or muaythai fighter.

                      Seems like fighters spend a greater % of training time sparring as fight time comes closer. I think its the same way in boxing?

                      Originally posted by russBboxin View Post
                      the people I have trained with told me muay thai usually doesnt incorporate knees and elbows in "sparring" matches but uses them in actual competitions and fights. So I guess another quesiton along this line would be for fight fans, there has been talks of an anderson silva vs roy jones fight. who do you guys think would win? anderson has expressed his desire to box roy jones jr in american boxing rules, and jones has mentioned fighting anderson silva in the ufc thoughts?
                      Got my first taste of muaythai overseas years ago. I've been fortunate enough to train at a few muaythai gyms across the country as well. In sparring, most gyms allow all of the punches from boxing, kicking to the legs, body and head - and knees targeted to the leg and body (but not the head).

                      They save the elbows and knees to the head for pad and bag work. A coach wants to build and protect his fighters - so they can fight and build the gym.

                      As far as Silva vs. RJJ in boxing, I think Silva would demonstrate some pretty good level of boxing skills, but would get downright outboxed if not knocked out by the 2nd or 3rd round, at best. In a UFC rules fight, Silva would take out RJJ within the first round if he takes the fight to the ground.

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                      • Hi all.

                        This is a nice discussion.
                        It makes me think about a boxing sparring session between Silva and Minotauro (who is also a good boxer).
                        Obviously it's the end of the sparing session as they are just so tired, but you can still see good boxing skills going on.

                        YouTube - Anderson Silva Sparring with Minotauro - MMA Fever!

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                        • wish I could watch it! im in iraq and the download speeds wont let me watch any video online

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                          • Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
                            As far as Silva vs. RJJ in boxing, I think Silva would demonstrate some level of boxing skills, but would get downright outboxed if not knocked out by the 2nd or 3rd round, at best. In a UFC rules fight, Silva would take out RJJ within the first round if he takes the fight to the ground.
                            I tend to agree, the only thing that makes me want to see the MMA version because I know roy wouldnt handle any ju jitsu but the 4 oz gloves on a guy that is used to fighting with 10 oz boxing gloves, the hand speed even at this stage in his career I think would be insane! but I think anderson would win mma and jones in boxing.

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                            • Originally posted by russBboxin View Post
                              wish I could watch it! im in iraq and the download speeds wont let me watch any video online
                              I agree the size of the gloves is an important factor and the strategy changes because of that.

                              That's too bad for the video, I am sure you would have enjoyed it. Anyway, the video will still be there for you to watch another time!

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                              • I think the BJ Penn's dominance over Kenny Florian on UFC101 proves how boxing can overcome muay thai.

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