I Hate Tkd Schools, all they want is $

[GranFire]

Often on forums such as this, members tend to post a rebuttal before actually understanding.

With sincerity-please read and understand-

From my post;

We had closed the schools in different time intervals due to personal reasons. One colleague had changed residence and wedded. The other went to college. I had a newborn/first born on the way.

We did not close for financial reasons. In fact, before closing, we were thinking of "selling" the schools to another martial art enterpreneur. It would have been a decent profit. It wasnt about profit. However, we took a concensus and the students did not want to be "sold off".

The first school started as a "club venture". A bunch of us got together to workout. The rent of property was free, as long as we had insurance.

Therefore, sir, please examine a post before making such a rebuttal.

I didn't see it as coined at you but as a more general remark. It takes money to run a school, if you only charge kost, you'll get in the hole in a hurry. If one has no overhead, it can be free...


BUT....since I have been told that there are always three sides to a story, we can only assume that the school owner was an egotistical greedy SOB.

Besides, if there are that many interested people, the instructor could rent the school for the weekend and pay for it...but then - freeby goes bye-bye...

[47MartialMan]

And to the guy who gave free classes and only charged the overhead..... uhm, what was the final result? THE SCHOOL CLOSED DOWN. People were not meant to work for free, if they get no reward for effort it cannot last. 1000 years ago kungfu instructors were not paid... BUT their students were virtual slaves who cleaned, cooked, gave clothing, items and food to the school and instructor, it was totally supported by the students and the instructor was taken care of. This has been going on since the beggining, it is not a new modern idea spawned by greed, today we have money and students no longer support their instructors through other means.
Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

Often on forums such as this, members tend to post a rebuttal before actually understanding.

With sincerity-please read and understand-

From my post;

We had closed the schools in different time intervals due to personal reasons. One colleague had changed residence and wedded. The other went to college. I had a newborn/first born on the way.

We did not close for financial reasons. In fact, before closing, we were thinking of "selling" the schools to another martial art enterpreneur. It would have been a decent profit. It wasnt about profit. However, we took a concensus and the students did not want to be "sold off".

The first school started as a "club venture". A bunch of us got together to workout. The rent of property was free, as long as we had insurance.

Therefore, sir, please examine a post before making such a rebuttal.

[Damian Mavis]

They were both wrong. The TKD instructor mentioned is an ass and is too egotistical and controlling, if he's opened minded enough to have a muay thai instructor at his school then he should be letting students LEARN muay thai if that is what they want and not have to take other classes they are not interested in. His ego cant handle the fact that you would want to learn from someone else other than him so he tried to force the issue. What a putz.

However: he should have let you learn just muay thai but at $100 a month. My overhead is approxmately $5000 a month..... sorry but every student pays in MY school regardless of what they take or who teaches them.

And to the guy who gave free classes and only charged the overhead..... uhm, what was the final result? THE SCHOOL CLOSED DOWN. People were not meant to work for free, if they get no reward for effort it cannot last. 1000 years ago kungfu instructors were not paid... BUT their students were virtual slaves who cleaned, cooked, gave clothing, items and food to the school and instructor, it was totally supported by the students and the instructor was taken care of. This has been going on since the beggining, it is not a new modern idea spawned by greed, today we have money and students no longer support their instructors through other means.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

[47MartialMan]

Shame that one has to do such things. It is benighted.

[Little Apple]

Yeah, it looks like one of those automatic things that get pasted up on forums without really trying to integrate them. I was on another forum talking about history, and up pops a post on auto insurance.

And yeah, MartialMan, that's exactly what I"m saying. It's so sad, because it's not in the spirit at all.

[Patrick G.]

What does this have to do with the topic of this thread?

sounds like a shameless, self-promoting plug to me! lol..

[47MartialMan]

well if you want the best in Muaithai Kickboxing then you must get in touch with .......

What does this have to do with the topic of this thread?

[47MartialMan]

It's so good to hear things like that. I feel like when your studio is your living, sometimes there's the danger of seeing students only as a way to pay the bills. That affects how you train too, because you start cutting out some of the tough stuff that will drive away the less serious students. So not only are you teaching to keep students, not to hone skills, but now you've stopped seeing people as people and started seeing them as money. I know that's not universally the case, (take Python for example, or this Jujitsu dude, Ward here in duluth) but it can happen more easily than I'd like to think.

So, I guess you are saying if it is too commercialized, the students become customers.

[Little Apple]

It's so good to hear things like that. I feel like when your studio is your living, sometimes there's the danger of seeing students only as a way to pay the bills. That affects how you train too, because you start cutting out some of the tough stuff that will drive away the less serious students. So not only are you teaching to keep students, not to hone skills, but now you've stopped seeing people as people and started seeing them as money. I know that's not universally the case, (take Python for example, or this Jujitsu dude, Ward here in duluth) but it can happen more easily than I'd like to think.

[47MartialMan]

Back to the subject-
So it is not only TKD schools that want $$$$
Think about it, to commercialize something is to form a business to be profitable.

I once had two schools going. We (I and two partners) did not personally profit from them. Our tuition reflected our overhead. For example, if the total/complete overhead was $2,500 and we had 100 students, the tuition for each student was $25. We did not have belt testing fees. From our previous instructor, he did not have belt ranking, and did not collect fees. Belt testing fees seemed odd. Collecting money for personal accomplishments well done was conscientious.

We had closed the schools in different time intervals due to personal reasons. One colleague had changed residence and wedded. The other went to college. I had a newborn/first born on the way. I kept contact with most of the higher level students, and to this day we train privately. My students and peers (we associated with many other schools in a honorable fashion) are looking for me to open another school.

[Little Apple]

Ha ha!

[47MartialMan]

Poop head. Meat head.

[GranFire]

Hey! Don't be a poop head.

!!! !!!

[Little Apple]

Hey! Don't be a poop head.

[47MartialMan]

Let me re-phrase my thoughts. My post came out wrong. I don't think that everyone who takes TKD is an ineffective fighter. I too, have friends who are TKD blackbelts and they can handle themselves pretty well. I meant that with the method of many TKd practitioners, the emphasis is placed on kicking, especially high and spinning kicking, which imo does not have any place in a street fight, especially when there are multiple attackers coming at you at once, which I have personally experienced more than once. I simply feel there are other arts which utilize more effective means to survive the street fight. Again, when it is all said and done, it boils down to how good the fighter himself or herself actually is, regardless of which art they study. So, my apologies if I came across wrong with my post. But I still think this is a main reason why it is picked on in general though. Does this make more sense?

Complete, rational, intellectual sense to me. However the "her" is hardly evident among the percentage. Most "Her'(s) are not into fighting