MT vs. SANSHOU

[retired]

My advised is..... you better change KungFu instructor cause according to you - you could not always parry a strike.......

you know? that is the most biggest problems here of the Fake KungFu here in our place cause they are always beaten by the black belt karate and tae kwon do cause their kungfu is fake..... they could not do their kungfu stance cause their in a fake kungfu..... this is also happens to you - that you always can't parry your opponents punch.....

how about me? the ratio of hit is 2:24!!!!! my opponent hit me twice (1 is purely hit but the second is a trading blows like i hit him while he also hit me simultaenously) while i hit my opponent 24 times...... and this always happens to any boxing, karate, and tae kwon do....

See the same Mcdojo reply's AGAIN!!!!

Mate if you think you can parry every strike then your a complete fool & a total plonker, why? Because anyone on the street doesn't just stand in front of you and throw straight punches (another thing i found out) because if you'd seen any street fight you would know that people come from all angles with big hay-makers & can be over powered with rage & anger which can be impossible to just parry away to your hearts content.

how about me? the ratio of hit is 2:24!!!!! my opponent hit me twice (1 is purely hit but the second is a trading blows like i hit him while he also hit me simultaenously) while i hit my opponent 24 times...... and this always happens to any boxing, karate, and tae kwon do........

Mate if this is true i would pay BIG money just to see you make a complete fool of yourself......you start the sentence with the biggest mistake by saying you would get hit first then return 24 because if this was one of my strikes you would be waking up on the floor seeing me looking down on you because it only takes 1-2 strikes to finish someone who isnt conditioned to full contact.

And you say this always happens to any boxing, karate, and tae kwon do....well maybe you should stop picking on the beginers & start on the advanced ones.

darrianation

[darrianation]

[QUOTE=sherwinc]

My advised is..... you better change KungFu instructor cause according to you - you could not always parry a strike.......

you know? that is the most biggest problems here of the Fake KungFu here in our place cause they are always beaten by the black belt karate and tae kwon do cause their kungfu is fake..... they could not do their kungfu stance cause their in a fake kungfu..... this is also happens to you - that you always can't parry your opponents punch.....

When I was a child I was memorized by the Martial arts. I would spend hours in front of the TV on Saturday mornings watching Kung Fu Theater. I never missed a Bruce Lee or a chuck Norris movie. The TV series kung fu with David Caradine (sp?) was always a must see. I would spend even more hours defending the word against my evil older brother with KF kicks and karate chops.

My perception of MAs was molded by the movies, TV, and the adds in the back of comic books. When I was 12 years old I began learning Karate, and I still had the perception that Hollywood had taught me about the MAs. It took me a couple of years to realize I couldn’t do what they did in the movies nor could my instructor or anyone else for that matter. I found that reality is very different from the make believe world of Hollywood.

You still believe all the hype and the mysteries of KF. Every time someone challenges that belief you have only one thing to say. It must be fake KF. Like when I told you I have sparred a couple of wing chun guys and easily beat them, you say “they practice fake wing chun”, or when Retired a former practitioner and Instructor of KF says your full of it you say he did not learn real KF, or when any other KF practitioner or former practitioner says something contrary to your belief you say they need to find a new instructor to learn real KF.

This is a very weak argument because you would have us believe that you and you alone practice the only one true KF and everyone else practices or teaches fake shit KF. You think that the MAs or at least KF is super natural and transcends all the natural laws of physics, chemistry, and biology. You’re thought processes are warped to say the least. Dude there are no mysteries in MAs there may be things forgotten, lost, or other wise not known but this does not testify to there effectiveness or their superiority.

Time and time again you say “if a MT guy throws a kick like that or a boxer punches like so, then I would easily defeat him with this, or that”. You no what else I have discovered in my 20 or so years in MA? That theory doesn’t always work in reality.

You are stuck in the theory trap where the traditionalists hide; you have no idea about how to apply that theory in the real word because if you did you would not be saying half the garbage that comes out of your mouth.

*Disclaimer- Quotes may not be exact.

[Tom Yum]

How many people who deem boxing as ineffective and easy to defend against have actually stepped into a ring and tried to sparr a boxer?

Again it depends on the rules, but assuredly anyone who is in the striking arts will tell you that they have trouble with boxers hand speed, power and mobility unless they train as a boxer.

[retired]

How many people who deem boxing as ineffective and easy to defend against have actually stepped into a ring and tried to sparr a boxer?

Again it depends on the rules, but assuredly anyone who is in the striking arts will tell you that they have trouble with boxers hand speed, power and mobility unless they train as a boxer.

this is very true just like sparring against a novice MA or boxer in that they throw punches & kicks in a way or angle which you would call awkward because it is outside the confines of your training.

People can get angry when they get hit by a novice but this is only because we become stuck in our ways & dont expect people to "break the style rules" which is why MMA & other mixes can give you better overall picture of combat, one of the reasons thaiboxing done so well.

[sherwinc]

When I was a child I was memorized by the Martial arts. I would spend hours in front of the TV on Saturday mornings watching Kung Fu Theater. I never missed a Bruce Lee or a chuck Norris movie. The TV series kung fu with David Caradine (sp?) was always a must see. I would spend even more hours defending the word against my evil older brother with KF kicks and karate chops.

My perception of MAs was molded by the movies, TV, and the adds in the back of comic books. When I was 12 years old I began learning Karate, and I still had the perception that Hollywood had taught me about the MAs. It took me a couple of years to realize I couldn’t do what they did in the movies nor could my instructor or anyone else for that matter. I found that reality is very different from the make believe world of Hollywood.

You still believe all the hype and the mysteries of KF. Every time someone challenges that belief you have only one thing to say. It must be fake KF. Like when I told you I have sparred a couple of wing chun guys and easily beat them, you say “they practice fake wing chun”, or when Retired a former practitioner and Instructor of KF says your full of it you say he did not learn real KF, or when any other KF practitioner or former practitioner says something contrary to your belief you say they need to find a new instructor to learn real KF.

This is a very weak argument because you would have us believe that you and you alone practice the only one true KF and everyone else practices or teaches fake shit KF. You think that the MAs or at least KF is super natural and transcends all the natural laws of physics, chemistry, and biology. You’re thought processes are warped to say the least. Dude there are no mysteries in MAs there may be things forgotten, lost, or other wise not known but this does not testify to there effectiveness or their superiority.

Time and time again you say “if a MT guy throws a kick like that or a boxer punches like so, then I would easily defeat him with this, or that”. You no what else I have discovered in my 20 or so years in MA? That theory doesn’t always work in reality.

You are stuck in the theory trap where the traditionalists hide; you have no idea about how to apply that theory in the real word because if you did you would not be saying half the garbage that comes out of your mouth.

*Disclaimer- Quotes may not be exact.

You could never under-estimate the Filipino Boxers cause they have many winning ring fights in the history of light weight, feather weight, bantam weight categories, especially here in Calinog, Iloilo, Philippines where you could see lots of best boxers but some of their best boxers who have many win fights - i spar them to make them convince...

our rules????? ok, no using of kicking cause boxers dont kick, then we spar using only hands and full contact..... it is our leisure time during college years and up.....

but still the ratio of hit is 2:22, and the most wost is now, cause now - more and more techniques i learned and apply hard.....

Note:
true, boxers is one of the weakest punchers that i've ever met

[sherwinc]

Sherwinc sparring aint fighting, putting on the pads and playing a game of tag (most likely how you do it) are useless. Have you ever gotten in a fight or done searious fighting?

yes, during HighSchool years, i was beginning to learn stupid Karate but not effective.....

The reason why i switch to KungFu but sadly speaking, in KungFu - Patience first before destruction.....

[Damian Mavis]

Why is everyone taking SherwinC seriously and treating him like a regular person? Isn't it obvious he's "special"? Guys, there's no honour in defeating a handicapped opponent. I stopped arguing with him when he made as little sense as my retarded cousin. There was no longer any point.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[retired]

It makes me laugh to think that someone with so called MA experience can say that a boxer has weak punches????? the guy's a complete knob head.

A boxer can punch harder than anyone FACT, why? because that's all they train for, not like us with all our complicated techniques, kicks, takedowns & submissions to practice.

They just Box all day & every day......tell me this, can you Box? (not SPAR) for 12 rd's.....i doubt it.

Someone you pussy-foot around with in college doesn't count for anything.

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[sherwinc]

They just Box all day & every day......tell me this, can you Box? (not SPAR) for 12 rd's.....i doubt it.

no, i cant reach up to 12 rounds of fights in boxing, i have no stamina to reach that plenty of rounds..... that's the reason why..... the objective is to finish your opponent not more than 60 seconds or 120 seconds......

Note:
a very very few amount of force (boxing & rounds) wasted is a good definition of stress.........

[retired]

no, i cant reach up to 12 rounds of fights in boxing, i have no stamina to reach that plenty of rounds..... that's the reason why..... the objective is to finish your opponent not more than 60 seconds or 120 seconds......

Note:
a very very few amount of force (boxing & rounds) wasted is a good definition of stress.........

So if you cant finish him quicklly then what? your buggered because you've used up all your energy.....................back to the play ground AGAIN.

[sherwinc]

So if you cant finish him quicklly then what? your buggered because you've used up all your energy.....................back to the play ground AGAIN.

if the fight doesnt finish at around 60seconds or 120 seconds, then the sparring stops immediately with a very painful forearms (both fighters) cause a lot of smashing of forearm against opponents forearm - the fighter doesnt withstand the pain due to smashing will simply lose...... and allow the 30 fists to land unto the lossers body cause his forearm is not capable to defend oncoming hand attacks.....

[retired]

if the fight doesnt finish at around 60seconds or 120 seconds, then the sparring stops immediately with a very painful forearms (both fighters) cause a lot of smashing of forearm against opponents forearm - the fighter doesnt withstand the pain due to smashing will simply lose...... and allow the 30 fists to land unto the lossers body cause his forearm is not capable to defend oncoming hand attacks.....

Why do you keep on going back to SPARRING!!!! i dont give a shit about sparring im on about a REAL fight not some mamby pamby sticky hand crap im talking about getting smashed in the face full force from someone who can hit properlly & be able to return a punch back.

Iv'e done all that sticky hand crap and forearm workout but you cant block EVERYTHING..............christ it's like talking to a 5yr old......dont you understand that without fighting or heavy sparring you'll fall apart at the first hurdle................contact yes, sticky hand no

[darrianation]

OOPs I screwed up!

[darrianation]

Punching power!!!!!

Note:
true, boxers is one of the weakest punchers that i've ever met

Sorry DM but I can't let bull shit spew forth unchecked.

A boxer’s power.

Boxers turn punching into a real science. Power- Boxers first work to improve their form. Power comes from proper bone alignment, relaxation, pivot, weight shifting, and snap that transfer the energy from the ground up. The feet, hips, back, and shoulder all move with precise timing to transfer the energy through to the end of the punch and follow through and all energy into their opponent.

Punching power= .5mass x velocity (2) or (1/2mv2) I have seen different formulas but they all basically say the same thing.

I am a heavy weight I had always thought I could hit hard, that was until I started training in boxing. I soon found out that though I could hit hard the other heavy weights would out power me by far and there were cruiser and Light Heavyweights that had more power than I did and to top it all off they moved much faster than I did too.

In my boxing gym I had guys knock the wind out me while I was holding the heavy bag for them. I have had guys who have landed jabs on me and I saw stars. No one can tell me or convince me that boxers can’t hit hard!

Boxers spend more time and throw more punches than anybody. They work in front of mirrors, with coaches, other boxers, they use focus mitts, heavy bags, and other bags/pads to develop form and timing. Then comes the sparring. Boxers are the best punchers no one else compares. They can punch the hardest and the fastest and good boxer uses body and foot movement to make you miss. They also know when to punch and when not to, and they have very high percentages of landing punches especially against lower caliber boxers.

Power- here is a short list of knockout percentages of the KO kings.
1) Rocky Marciano: 87% KOs
2) Joe Frazier: 84% KOs
3) James Jefferies 83% KOs
4) Jack Dempsey: 79% KOs
5) Joe Luis: 78% KOs
6) Sonny Liston: 78% KOs
7) Max Baer: 74% KOs
8) Archie Moore: 73% KOs A light heavyweight with a 143 knockouts (although some may debate this)

Need I say more? Convinced?!?!?!?!?

[JP Prideaux]

Good God this is hilarious.