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  • Originally posted by roku
    Anyhow, if this is worth anything to anyone, great. If you think I'm a poser, I could care less.

    That works out well.

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    • LOL - great response.

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      • Originally posted by roku
        LOL - great response.

        I'm just an agreeable fella, Mr. 6!

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        • You know, I wasn't even thinking about 6 when I made my screen name. Roku actually means hand or arm in Czech. Thanks for pointing that out.

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          • Originally posted by roku
            You know, I wasn't even thinking about 6 when I made my screen name. Roku actually means hand or arm in Czech. Thanks for pointing that out.
            So, you have 6 arms? Dude, you must be unstoppable!

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            • Pax Mundi

              Originally posted by roku
              You know, I wasn't even thinking about 6 when I made my screen name. Roku actually means hand or arm in Czech. Thanks for pointing that out.
              Great post Roku, I have read it all! It's great pleasure to see that there are some people worth comunicating with, I agree with you in all what you said, we have had more or less the same kind of expeiences and learnt the right things out of them.

              As you pointed out that I have been attacked by few, then I thought why bother everyone is free to express what ever they feel, what matters for me is to find people to comunicate with and share some oppinions or even have some interesting discussions with. After all what would I gain if invent stories to say and what would I lose if some people don't trust me.
              As I always said, learn how to be a war machine but all you have to practice is peace.

              PAX

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              • Originally posted by jubaji
                So, you have 6 arms? Dude, you must be unstoppable!
                LOL... almost unstoppable. I am still vulnerable to the lightning fist of the crawling caterpillar on my 109th vital point Of course, this opening can only be created when I'm forced to defend against the wriggling earthworm style. I am hoping that with the trend away from Gung Fu that my one weakness will soon become a lost art.

                Sherwin, no offense intended, really. I don't know much about Gung Fu, but I have spent a little time learning some Chin Na.

                Boxiados, thanks for the post. I agree with what you're saying. Props to you for pulling out of the flame wars. Oh, and great photos!

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                • Originally posted by roku
                  but I have spent a little time learning some Chin Na.
                  So you know Chin Na.......

                  if i am right, i think Chin Na KungFu is a good candidate to defeat Southern Eagle Claw KungFu......

                  why????

                  cause Chin Na has its 5 divisions which Eagle Claw has only 1.......

                  example of ChinNa Divisions:
                  1. Sealing the Vein
                  2. Sealing the Breath
                  3. Death Touch to the 108 death cavities and not to mention the Poison Hands
                  4. Misplacing the Bones
                  5. Tearing Muscles and Tendons


                  while in Southern Eagle Claw:
                  1. Blood in every claw hand strikes to the opponents body.....

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                  • Originally posted by sherwinc
                    So you know Chin Na.......
                    Sherwin,
                    I would never claim to know Chin Na. I've studied it a little and came to the personal conclusion that many of the concepts and techniques were very similar to those of Aiki Jiu Jitsu or other Jiu Jitsus, but with slightly different emphasis and body mechanics. I assume there was crossover in technique development. Honestly, I did not learn enough to understand why Chin Na would be better or worse than other seemingly similar arts. Based on my limited knowledge, I do believe much of it would be effective given the right situation.

                    Personally, I think that within any particular art or style, an even more important factor in its effectiveness is how an individual applies their training. In addition to technique:
                    * Speed and explosiveness,
                    * balance and mobility,
                    * sensitivity to your opponents movement or intent,
                    * reflexive response / muscle memory,
                    * resistance to distraction including pain,
                    * lack of telegraphing true intent,
                    * misdirection / faking / jabbing,
                    * understanding strengths and weaknesses (including your own),
                    * and ability to quickly and effectively inflict injury
                    are all critical and vary widely from person to person in any particular art. I do realize that particular styles help people train or improve in each of these areas and develop effectiveness in different zones, and that some arts have techniques, concepts, or methods of training that can be devastatingly effective when applied.

                    My guess is that a scrub who's taken Chin Na for 5 years will lose to a talent with 5 years of Southern Eagle Claw (though I don't know anything about SEC). Same goes for Muay Thai, IMO, though I doubt that many scrubs would stay in it to be punished for 5 years straight.

                    I think the only bad art is one that closes peoples' minds to other learning or teaches them to replace what they naturally/currently do with something less effective or downright dangerous. The other potential detriment is when people get a false sense of security from ineffective or moderately useful training and do stupid things, like start fights because they think they can get away with it. Aside from that, any positive martial training will simply improve your health and chance of surviving or helping others survive any particular event with minimum injury. Plus, I assume we all do it because we have fun.

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                    • Originally posted by jubaji
                      Well, as you may have guessed by my previous comments, I find it rather silly to talk about how many fights (as in the street) one has been in. Who over a certain age hasn't been in a bunch of scraps? Its not so special, its unverifiable (if one is touting a 'record' in such things), and doesn't really add anything but an attitude.

                      That having been said, you have put up with my foolishness pretty well so far. The bulk of my experience is in wrestling. I've got more than 20yrs of wrestling experience, 5 of those NCAA Div. 1. Done some coaching here and there. I also studied a few things while living in China for a few years, then the same in Japan. And a little of this, and a little of that. My job requires frequent relocation so I have the chance to try different places, but not stay for more than a few years at a stretch.
                      pace pace pace pace

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                      • Originally posted by Boxiados
                        Thanks for visiting my sites Roku and for the compliments! I love my job as much as love my sports!
                        No doubt. Getting paid to direct and take pictures of top models. I thought I had it good (actually, I have no complaints either). Of course, I've heard they can be a bit temperamental, or was it just mental .

                        BTW, do you still teach Muay Thai? Do you have a school in South Africa? S.A. is on our list of places to go. Maybe if we do visit, I'll drop by the school, but I doubt it would be this year.

                        Peace.

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                        • Some more real fights...

                          A friend of mine, Mr A, who is actually a nice guy, but grew up in a rough area and won't take any sh*t, untrained but been in many fights:
                          Has his religion insulted by Mr B, fires off three or four hooks, most of which land well, flattening Mr B, who ends up with a face like a bag of spanners but no permanent damage. We have to grab Mr A to stop him from really hurting Mr B. Mr A sprains his wrist while hitting Mr B.
                          Another similar situation, this time leading with a front kick, kicks Mr C against a wall which stuns him while Mr A fires off the hooks again, with similar effect.

                          Bar fight:
                          Two random people have an argument in a crowded bar, one punch is thrown and the other guy is flattened. It looks like he's had one of his teeth knocked out, there is lots of blood, and he ends up in hospital. The bar is too crowded for the fight to go beyond one punch.

                          Girl Fight (don't get too excited):
                          In a night club, my friend Miss A (of slight build, but a kickboxer) is hassled by an agressive Miss B and 4 or 5 friends. Miss A, feeling under threat from Miss B unleashes a jab-reverse-punch combination, flattening Miss B, whose friends also then decide it was a bad idea to hassle Miss A. They are all thrown out of the club.

                          My kickboxing instructor, Mr I, has previously fought and beaten Mr B in a pub fight. Mr B comes looking for Mr I for "revenge", with 7 or 8 friends. Mr I spots them coming into the pub he is in and hides under the table until they have gone. He was thinking of sealing the vein with his poison hands, but thought better of it.

                          I think a bit of boxing skill goes a long way in helping you avoid that first punch or two. That's what seems to do the damage in my experience. After that, there's always too many people around who'll stop the fight, or it's over already.

                          All my friends have names with only one letter, btw.

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                          • Originally posted by roku
                            No doubt. Getting paid to direct and take pictures of top models. I thought I had it good (actually, I have no complaints either). Of course, I've heard they can be a bit temperamental, or was it just mental .

                            BTW, do you still teach Muay Thai? Do you have a school in South Africa? S.A. is on our list of places to go. Maybe if we do visit, I'll drop by the school, but I doubt it would be this year.

                            Peace.
                            No, I stopped teaching Muay Thai five years ago when I was still in Milan, I have to travel a lot with my work and it's impossible to keep doing the two at the same time, it was very hard to quit the course, it's quiet something when you grow young fighters, some come the first day and look so lost and impressed, but when you see how they become after you teach them for a couple of years you feel so proud of them and of what they have achieved.
                            In South Africa, I train constantly, but by myself, I go to the Dragon Power where sometimes I do some sparring to keep the rythm and the eye for the fight and I occasionally teach to some fighters.
                            I have been asked many times to start teaching, but how can I start something and leave a month later if I have to travel somewhere, It would not be fair to them.
                            I would have loved to start a Savate club as here in SA this is a completely uknown style, and I met few people who are keen for it, but then the problem is that I can't constantly be there. I have a passion for teaching and I like to do that every now and then.

                            As for the topmodels, you can obviously immagine that they are very vulnerable creatures, you just have to show them who's the boss, most are really simple and very nice, you just have to get to know them, seen from the outside this world seem all gold, but I am sure that you know the say "it's not gold all waht shines!"

                            If you come to SA, you will be welcome to come visit!

                            Pax

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                            • thanx

                              Originally posted by Tom Yum
                              For our non SI-measurement friends out here:

                              186 cm ~ 6' 1"
                              96 kg ~ 212 lbs
                              Thanx for that Tom

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                              • Originally posted by Tom Yum
                                For our non SI-measurement friends out here:

                                186 cm ~ 6' 1"
                                96 kg ~ 212 lbs
                                Thanx Tom

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