Banned Weapons

[medic06]

Nope. Just saying that in general, they don't need to understand physics. Training time is finite, and best spent training fighting, not physics.

And Kenpodog (feel better?), it was a cheapshot...but it was pretty freakin' funny. And I think maybe well-deserved after the center of the universe comment you made. Getting your tit in a twist about me calling you on what really is total fluff is one thing. Getting mad because I was right (except in my spelling of your physics-addled art) is just dumb.

Who said I was mad, or that it's my art? I'm actually giggling because you referred to a 3 variable equation too complex

Sure, as much time should be spent training. But it's nice to know some of the stuff you train and teach is verifible through scientific means and not based upon something totally made up.

[medic06]

Nope. Just saying that in general, they don't need to understand physics. Training time is finite, and best spent training fighting, not physics.

And Kenpodog (feel better?), it was a cheapshot...but it was pretty freakin' funny. And I think maybe well-deserved after the center of the universe comment you made. Getting your tit in a twist about me calling you on what really is total fluff is one thing. Getting mad because I was right (except in my spelling of your physics-addled art) is just dumb.

Who said I was mad, or that it's my art? I'm actually giggling because you referred to a 3 variable equation as too complex

Sure, as much time should be spent training. But it's nice to know some of the stuff you train and teach is verifible through scientific means and not based upon something totally made up.

[Tom Yum]

Sure, as much time should be spent training. But it's nice to know some of the stuff you train and teach is verifible through scientific means and not based upon something totally made up.

That's exactly what its good for. Its good support, but not fundamental to the act itself.

[Kenpodog]

Kenpo,
I'm saying that I was right in my assessment that real fighters need to be concerned more with learning the fundamentals of fighting than with the fundamentals of physics. That's all. I made the comment about your art because you said I misspelled it.

Glad to hear it!!
I misunderstood, because the post about mispelling was my attempt at humor, ken(m)po can be spelled either way.

I agree the fundamentals/basics are everything, we all get sidetracked now and then.

Like I said in the other post, a sense of humor is thumbs-up in my book.

[budo]

ah correction to the white belt question....
i was assuming a "baricade yourself in the house" situation, not starting some kinda arms race with local street hood.......sorry i misunderstood you scinario....and my new answer is no, unless the barricade thing happen, althogh i would imagine a fully automatic rifle would be kinda fun to shoot at things with

and the physics and equations of projectiles would also be very interesting.....

[Tant01]

For who?

...
and the physics and equations of projectiles would also be very interesting.....

To a mathematician maybe...

When I was doing reloading I absorbed a good deal about ballistics and trajectories... coefficients, energy transfer...

Did it make me a better hunter? No.

[medic06]

Nope, that wouldn't do it either. A thorough understanding of your prey is the most effective thing in hunting.

[Tant01]

:::Smile:::

Pray tell, Tant, what was the thing that contributed most to your effectiveness at hunting? Could it have been...oh, I don't know...actual shooting?

Could it be that simple?

............... It could.

[Tom Yum]

...but no physics?

Funny.....

Those damned functions are too beautiful to ignore

[Tant01]

Where the critters go?

Nope, that wouldn't do it either. A thorough understanding of your prey is the most effective thing in hunting.

Uh huh... critters ain't that difficult to figure out. I have killed some that were shot before by less skilled hunters...

Shot placement (IMO) makes the difference between a successful hunt or not.

[Tant01]

but no physics?

(and I bet being able to place the shot where you wanted it after you tracked down your game was at least a little helpful)

Yeah, that.

[Kenpodog]

Wow!!
Is that physics stuff still going on??

[Tant01]

Wow!!
Is that physics stuff still going on??

Hehehe.... Yup but now it about ballistic projectile weapons...

[elliotNess]

Slightly off topic but an important read. Man this shop was is one of the biggest in all of Maryland. Been in business since 1954.

Gun shop loses its license
ATF notes repeated failure to account for all firearms
By Matthew Dolan
sun reporter
Originally published February 25, 2006
Federal agents revoked the firearms license yesterday of a prominent Baltimore County gun shop owned by a National Rifle Association board member, pointing to his repeated failure to account for hundreds of guns listed in his inventory since 1997.

"We don't want firearms getting into the hands of criminals," said David McCain, assistant special agent in charge of the Baltimore field office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "If we come in and find they're not complying with the regulations, we have to enforce the law."



The license seizure came one day after a federal judge dismissed a civil lawsuit filed by Valley Gun of Parkville. Owner Sanford Abrams sued to stop the federal government from taking his license to sell firearms at the store, which has been in operation since 1954.

Abrams said had not heard about the court order or the ATF's decision to take his license when reached yesterday afternoon.

"You're not allowed to make a mistake. That's essentially what they're saying," Abrams said. "I have had the entire federal government to battle. I'm sure we'll appeal."

ATF agents said they could not wait any longer.

"We don't know how long this next appeals process is going to take," ATF spokeswoman Kelly Long said, adding that agents visited Valley Gun yesterday afternoon to pull the license. "And based on his history, we feel we shouldn't have to wait any longer to stop him from selling firearms. By law, we could have revoked [his license] months ago."

Long said agents have pulled licenses from five gun dealers in Maryland since 2005. Two other dealers have been targeted for license revocation, she said.

ATF officials said they did not anticipate removing any firearms from Valley Gun.

The Parkville store was one of 41 licensed firearm dealers -- out of 80,000 nationwide -- ordered by the ATF to provide detailed reports on all gun purchases and sales for the previous three years, and to continue providing such reports monthly. The idea, bureau officials said, was to prod "uncooperative" gun shops into compliance. Abrams saw it as an improper power play and sued the bureau.

The investigation that led to the license revocation started nearly nine years ago when, the ATF said, it found problems in Abrams' bookkeeping. In July 1997, agents compared the number of firearms listed in the store's books with the number of firearms on the premises.

The store came up 45 weapons short, according to agents.

After more missing weapons were identified after a 1999 inspection, the bureau held a "warning conference" with Abrams, who promised to improve record-keeping.

Agents returned in 2001 and noted 133 missing weapons. They held another "warning conference." Abrams again pledged to make progress.

Finally, in May 2003, an audit of Abrams' books found 472 weapons unaccounted for. The ATF issued a notice of license revocation in May 2004. In October, an administrative hearing officer ruled that Abrams' violations were "willful."

A final notice to take the license was officially issued in February last year but was stayed pending the court case.

Abrams acknowledged in court papers that his 2,000-square-foot store on Harford Road might have had problems in the past. His six employees have had to fill out as many as nine forms for a single customer who wants to buy more than one handgun at a time, Abrams said yesterday. His store sells about 3,000 firearms a year.

"Human error" was the way he described most of his store's mistakes. "I'm not doing something illegal," Abrams said in an interview yesterday.

But on Thursday, U.S. District Judge William M. Nickerson ruled that while Abrams "may challenge the numerousness or seriousness of its violations of federal firearms law, [he] makes no credible argument that there were no violations."

"The undisputed fact is that because of [Valley Gun's] lapses, scores of firearms are unaccounted for, and therefore, untraceable," the judge ruled.

Abrams is vice president of the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association and a board member of the National Rifle Association, a leading guns-rights lobbying group. He was elected last year to another three-year term.

[medic06]

Uh huh... critters ain't that difficult to figure out. I have killed some that were shot before by less skilled hunters...

Shot placement (IMO) makes the difference between a successful hunt or not.

Well I've never had a problem putting rounds on target so I wouldn't know.