Which grappling art should I do?

[jubaji]

I love the ignore feature.

The 'shut the **** up and go away' feature works well too. Give it a try.

[USArmyBJJ]

Looking back at his/her posting history - it's funny how quickly threads end when KOTF gets called out.

[Ben Grimm]

Not always a bad thing I guess.

[mellow]

Unfortunately some good info gets buried under all the crap that gets flung back and forth on these forums. It's like Dodge city here. . . . . . .

[Ben Grimm]

Have to agree with you on that point.

[Tant01]

I'm always willing to take some constructive criticism or suggestions to keep the forum friendly and educational...


If anyone cares?

[Ben Grimm]

What do you mean by friendly and educational?

[TTEscrima]

Notice that neither of them actually responded to the substance of the post. I'm quoting it in case they missed it the first time.

I ignored it because its much more entertaining to watch the clowns make fools of themselves. Several of them claim to have enough understanding of the arts in question to constantly talk shit about them (one of them even commented he wrestled a Mongolian once as proof of his knowledge ROFLMAO), its much funnier to watch them pat each other on the back and congratulate themselves on making themselves look stupid.

The principles of Mongolian Wrestling have been posted numerous times but what the hell.

The Five main principles of Mongolian Wrestling:

1. Never take a fighting stance. Pretend to yield. Then attack suddenly without warning.

2. Never go to the ground.

3. A man's legs are his foundation. Take the foundation out from under him and he cannot stand to fight.

4. An assailant's arms are like the tiller of a ship. Control his arm and you control the direction of his power and his ability to attack.

5. Never place a restraining hold on an attacker without striking him first. Use edge-of-hand, open hand, heel-of-palm strikes to soften him up before attempting a wristlock or armlock.


Let's move on, note Boar also teaches Shuai Chaio, the system is built upon one concept...that of the Diagonal strike, if the movement doesn't begin with the Diagonal strike its isn't true SC.


And finally Boar teaches Combat judo, again, based upon strikes and standing bone breaks, any throws that happen are incidental. Now if people actually read the posts instead of looking for shit to throw because the content doesn't suit their beliefs they might have learned something, but no they came to troll in the first place, and besides they already know all this, that's why they've been making themselves look so smart. The trolling and back patting is so glaring that frankly we can't really be expected to respond with anything but laughter any more.

[Junka]

Talking of Mongolian wrestling , most countries and cultures have had some form or another of this sport. Both the UK and the USA had brutal 'catch as can' wrestling, some of them pretty much no holds barred competitions with either limited or virtually no rules; others were more civilized and friendly.

Catch as can wrestling has basically died a death in the UK in favor of more exotically named pursuits which is sad because I feel it's a pity to loose part of our own cultural heritage this way.

[jubaji]

(one of them even commented he wrestled a Mongolian once as proof of his knowledge ROFLMAO), its much funnier to watch them pat each other on the back and congratulate themselves on making themselves look stupid.

One of them even mentioned that he had wrestled a Mongolian because he had. Some hairdressers who have never been within 5000 miles of Mongolia or ever said so much as a 'hello' to a person from there immediately felt threatened by that even in the context in which it was said (which was not to claim any expertise in 'Mongolian Wrestling' - which neither they nor the teacher they had diefied had ever really trained in). The name 'Mongolian Wrestling' has just been adopted by imaginative folks who would make it mean whatever they need it to, regardless of the current or historical reality. It makes whatever they want to do sound 'old' and 'eastern' so it really ups the 'cool' factor.

It's funny to see the talk of back patting from the freakin' world champions of self adoration.

[kingoftheforest]

Talking of Mongolian wrestling , most countries and cultures have had some form or another of this sport.

Shuai Chaio isn't quite the same as the Mongolian Wrestling that is popular today.

It was originally the "go to" method of battlefield tactics used if you lost your weapon. It doesn't involve grappling so much as tangling up your opponents limbs in the course of hitting them.

The diagonal striking and opposite hand, opposite foot movement tend to "catch"your opponents limbs.


There is no grabbing involved in the non-sportive form.

[jubaji]

Talking of Mongolian wrestling , most countries and cultures have had some form or another of this sport.

Absolutely. The universality of wrestling, in one form or another, is one of the most interesting things about it IMO. It also makes it possible to find folks to wrestle with wherever you go in the world, if you are so inclined.

[TTEscrima]

Shuai Chaio isn't quite the same as the Mongolian Wrestling that is popular today.

It was originally the "go to" method of battlefield tactics used if you lost your weapon. It doesn't involve grappling so much as tangling up your opponents limbs in the course of hitting them.

The diagonal striking and opposite hand, opposite foot movement tend to "catch"your opponents limbs.


There is no grabbing involved in the non-sportive form.

Exactly, the original art involved the hands being tied behind the back and the participants wore helmets with horns attached. The goal was to gore the opponent, later the hands were untied to allow STRIKING but grabbing/stalling was still a punishable by death offense. You were permitted to entangle the opponents legs with your own and to strike, nothing more, the throws and locks were incidental. As in Baqua you do not close the hand to embrace the opponents clothing or his body to achieve the locks and throws. When the art was finally codified it was still based upon the Diagonal strike and all techniques were to be manifested from it's usage.


Once the art became a sport as opposed to a tool to train the military, grabbing the opponents clothing and limbs were added and the deadlier aspects were removed, much like how Jujutsu became Judo.

Boar teaches with hands tied behind the back to ingrain the leg entangles and he also teaches the original 18 movement set based upon striking take downs and standing bone breaks.

[jubaji]

LOL! I can just picture them all down there in the basement with their plastic horned helmets!

[kingoftheforest]

LOL! I can just picture them all down there in the basement with their plastic horned helmets!

Yeah imagine all those basements in Florida.