Which grappling art should I do?

[J-Luck]

By the way, I've been confronted with knives or with getting jumped plenty of time... and to be honest, most of the time, i bounced and didn't look back.

[J-Luck]

I'm doing no such thing! I urge folks to think REALISTICALLY about dealing with armed attackers. Distance/ shield/ barriers are safer that trying to close the gap and grapple. If THEY close the gap you need to know how to ATTACK or pass and CONTROL the weapon hand. Sometimes that means being in grappling range... Sometimes the grapple comes to you. But you're not WRESTLING the attacker you attacking the attacker or his weapon hand/arm.
Those two situations you mention involve any injuries? Barriers? (keeping something between yourself and the attacker?) Running? Evasion? Grappling over the knife? Get your hand or fingers cut? Legs? Or "by the book" disarms? Please, tell us about it!

First of all... as I said earlier... my post didn't suggest the person had a weapon.

That being said I think grappling and striking have their part in disarming an armed attacker, in my two situations I had no prior martial arts training, my only training was in the streets. In both situations I attacked the hand with the knife, making sure to keep it away from myself, most people with a knife wont even pay attention to their other weapons even as you're taking theirs away or stabing them. Though, I don't think my way back then was the safest way, I'm still here so I guess it wasn't all that bad. I have a small cut on my left wrist from where I broke his wrist and the knife flung out of his hand into my wrist. The wrist is a dangerous spot to have cut, but I wasn't cut, more of a small scratch, the force wasn't enough to do serious damage. I'm really not qualified to speak on weapon defense though. I hope to train in it much more though. All I know is that with blunt objects such as bats you want to get as close as possible to nullify the effect of the swing, and with knives you want to get the knife out of their hand...

[Tant01]

Do tell Mr. Experience...

Well the weird thing about that is I've fou(gh)t off people with knives before, in fact in 2 situations... so I know personally what has and hasn't worked... but my post didn't state that it would be wise to grapple with someone with a knife.... so you're putting words in my mouth ....

I'm doing no such thing! I urge folks to think REALISTICALLY about dealing with armed attackers. Distance/ shield/ barriers are safer that trying to close the gap and grapple. If THEY close the gap you need to know how to ATTACK or pass and CONTROL the weapon hand. Sometimes that means being in grappling range... Sometimes the grapple comes to you. But you're not WRESTLING the attacker you attacking the attacker or his weapon hand/arm.
Those two situations you mention involve any injuries? Barriers? (keeping something between yourself and the attacker?) Running? Evasion? Grappling over the knife? Get your hand or fingers cut? Legs? Or "by the book" disarms? Please, tell us about it!

[J-Luck]

Grappling range with armed attacker(s) = BLOODY MESS.

But don't take MY word on it!

Well the weird thing about that is I've fout off people with knives before, in fact in 2 situations... so I know personally what has and hasn't worked... but my post didn't state that it would be wise to grapple with someone with a knife.... so you're putting words in my mouth . There are grappling techniques that work against knives, and there are striking techniqes...

[J-Luck]

the first half this is a fair representation of grappling a knifer...the second half is why armed is best...

http://user21165.websitewizard.com/f.../GRAPKNIFE.mov

I didn't say it would be better to be unarmed and grapple, but not everyone carries so it's not always an option. True, knife v no knife = no good. But, I would rather no how to defend against it with bare hands in case i had NO CHOICE... good point though.

[J-Luck]

Grappling range with armed attacker(s) = BLOODY MESS.

But don't take MY word on it!

Blah... I had ssomething typed for this, but it deleted... I'll retype it after.

[EmptyneSs]

any grappling taking place in the street or during a sd situation should be completely defensive, like if are suddenly taken down or fall and any enemy is now on top of you preventing your escape.

[BoarSpear]

the first half this is a fair representation of grappling a knifer...the second half is why armed is best...

http://user21165.websitewizard.com/files/unprotected/GRAPKNIFE.mov

[Tant01]

Stay near a good trauma/ER!

Grappling range with armed attacker(s) = BLOODY MESS.

But don't take MY word on it!

[J-Luck]

I think the misconception is grappling always takes place on the ground... SD grappling is him ending up on the ground through a powerful sweep, takedown, or throw.

[J-Luck]

Greco Roman wrestling... good for 1v1 SD... but for Mutliple opponents, only the throws would be effective... I think you might want to learn a SD based art... I'm not qualified to speak on it, but maybe that defendo art?

[Tant01]

Some guy got jumped in the stair case from behind by 3 guys. Then stabbed him in the eye and in the body.

Thats why I want to learn some grappling so if someone is behind me I could just slam them to the ground or break their leg or arms.

Again, you don't want to learn GRAPPLING to defend yourself from armed attacks from the rear. Grappling arts in general teach you to FACE your opponent! Do you have eyes in the back of your head? Grappling is a CLOSE range system! Too close if your attackers have weapons. Funny how the bad guys don't care about weapon laws! You can avoid these situations by not pissing off the wrong people for the most part. Don't trust anyone to get close enough to you to slip a shank in your body! It can be a moment when you walk past somebody or they walk past you! Don't get that close to ANYONE that might be armed! Look over your shoulders frequently! Understanding the TIME/DISTANCE thing is a MUST for armed engagements. The more space you have between yourself and the attacker the more TIME you have to react. Grappling = 0 space =0 time! Don't go there! Again I suggest being armed but more than that learning to QUICKLY deploy and USE your weapon!
You should practice deployment EVERY DAY from every position you can imagine being in. With your off hand, strong side, weak side, lying on your back or front or sides... everyway, everyday! Rapid deployment (getting the weapon out and ready to use) is probably the single most important thing you can learn to do. Then you can actually use it! Learn *When and *How to use it to keep yourself OUT of jail. It's your responsibility to know these things!

Brandishing is a crime in many states so don't pull it out unless you NEED to USE it!

[BoarSpear]

Some guy got jumped in the stair case from behind by 3 guys. Then stabbed him in the eye and in the body.

Thats why I want to learn some grappling so if someone is behind me I could just slam them to the ground or break their leg or arms.

Grappling is a poor choice for SD in a one on one situation, its freakin suicide in a multiple armed opponent scenario

The motion base for knife can be learned no matter where you live, these motions apply to most small items from ink pens to sticks...

Grappling is NOT SD especially when your motivation is dealing with multiple opponents!!

[knifethrower]

So you are suggesting that he breaks NYC's weapons carry laws right. Nice move Mr Clever.

At the time I read this had your join date was April 2006 with 381 posts and April ain’t even over yet. You must have a lot of penned up, unbridled stupidity to be that much of a dumb @ss that many times a day.

[Warrior189]

Some guy got jumped in the stair case from behind by 3 guys. Then stabbed him in the eye and in the body.

Thats why I want to learn some grappling so if someone is behind me I could just slam them to the ground or break their leg or arms.