Which grappling art should I do?

[TTEscrima]

Of course! We all know that when two people are rolling around on the ground their friends aren't allowed to interfere. That wouldn't be fair at all.

Yes yes, it would be quite unsportsmanlike behavior.

[mellow]

Super funny, but 'standup striker' folks seriously operate from this assumption on their side.

I think it's dangerous to assume anything in something as random as violent confrontation. It sucks to fight multiple opponents any way you cut it.. You are a shade closer to being able to cut and run when you are on your feet though. Of course the grappler doesn't neccessarily have to go to the ground either

[jubaji]

this means YOU

Of course! We all know that when two people are rolling around on the ground their friends aren't allowed to interfere. That wouldn't be fair at all.

Super funny, but 'standup striker' folks seriously operate from this assumption on their side.

[USArmyBJJ]

Of course! We all know that when two people are rolling around on the ground their friends aren't allowed to interfere. That wouldn't be fair at all.

I'm not sure that anyone is necessarily arguing that grappling is "better" than stand-up for fighting multiple people. Maybe some are, but I don't think so. I think what people are saying is two-fold:

1) A grappling base will give you a better chance of avoiding a grappling situation because, in addition to learning takedowns and ground grappling, you also learn defenses against takedowns and ground grappling. And, you've been in the situation enough to have a better chance of enacting those defenses. I've never been in a fight with multiple opponents - I have no desire to ever be in one. But I think that if I were wanting to hurt someone with my buddies there, the first thing I'd want to do is take them down to the ground where I and my friends can put a hurting on them. A person who has studied grappling has a better shot at avoiding that, I would think.

2) It is incumbent on those claiming that grappling is ineffective for fighting multiple opponents to prove that their particular tactics for fighting multiple opponents are necessarily better or even effective at all. I will willingly concede that grappling is ineffective for fighting multiple opponents. However, I would also argue that stand-up is ineffective for fighting multiple opponents. If you're fighting multiple opponents without a weapon, you are at an extreme disadvantage, and the chances of you winning are minimal at best. This is not to say that it can't happen - just that it's unlikely. I have seen a couple of videos on Youtube of boxers taking out more than one opponent, but I consider that the exception rather than the rule. Is there any evidence that TMA and/or RBSD fare any better?

[mellow]

This ignorant old song comes up again and again from the 'theory' crowd.

Of course! We all know that when two people are rolling around on the ground their friends aren't allowed to interfere. That wouldn't be fair at all.

[TTEscrima]

if you want tolearn how to protect yourself in a street attack scenario you need to learn a street based self protection system, check out mick coups stuff as imo thats the best.

Excellent post.

[jubaji]

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[JadeDragon]

I would edit that to say:

"Unarmed fighting styles are not good against multiple attackers. While you're fighting with one of them, the others will be beating your skull in. Then you'll be bleeding all over the place because there will be a hole in your head from their kicks, punches, weapons, etc. Probably the best style against multiple attackers is Track and Field."

Doesn't that sound more appropriate to you?

I wouldn't say that. Unarmed fighting styles that stand up to fight are ALOT better than grappling. With stand up fighting you can use one attacker to block as a shield, you have better freedom of movement, and can kick where as on the ground you can't. Look at Krav Maga, its designed to take out the attacker as quickly as possible so you can deal with the next attacker.

[blanker]

if you want to learn to win grappling comps do bjj, if you want to fight samurias do ju jitsu but if you want tolearn how to protect yourself in a street attack scenario you need to learn a street based self protection system, check out mick coups stuff as imo thats the best.

[jubaji]

You guys are both making waaaaaay too much sense for Jethro to handle.

[Sagacious Lu]

I've got to agree that you don't want to be on the ground against multiple attackers. Wrestling devotes an enormous amount of time to preventing your attacker from taking you down. It also specifically spends a lot of time on escapes, in other words standing up when your opponent doesn't want you to. Therefor if you're serious about not getting taken down, and being able to regain your feet if you do- having solid wrestling skills is a huge benefit.



Sorry guys, I know the horse is dead but I thought I saw it twitch out of the corner of my eye so I figured I'd give it another kick

[USArmyBJJ]

Grappling styles are not good against multiple attackers. While your on the ground with one the others will be kicking your skull in. Then you'll be bleeding all over the place because there will be a hole in your head from their kicks.

I would edit that to say:

"Unarmed fighting styles are not good against multiple attackers. While you're fighting with one of them, the others will be beating your skull in. Then you'll be bleeding all over the place because there will be a hole in your head from their kicks, punches, weapons, etc. Probably the best style against multiple attackers is Track and Field."

Doesn't that sound more appropriate to you?

[jubaji]

Grappling styles are not good against multiple attackers. While your on the ground with one the others will be kicking your skull in. Then you'll be bleeding all over the place because there will be a hole in your head from their kicks.

This ignorant old song comes up again and again from the 'theory' crowd.

[JadeDragon]

Originally this post was just to help develop my fighting, but since what happened yesterday I want it to help in the streets too.Since I already asked from the people from MMA & BJJ forum I want to know what you think.

I need help finding a good grappling art, but don't know what to chose from. So can I hear any opinion on any and can anyone tell me where i can find one in NYC.

I would do either submission wrestling or BJJ.

What happened yesterday?
You don't need a grappling art. You need a weapon art.
NY (City) has some of the most F'd up knife laws in the country!
"Stick" fighting styles like Kali or Eskrima would be good, Something with Silat or modern Arnis also. Don't overlook decent RBSD or combatives...
Survival is not about what grappling style will work better in the streets. That will depend entirely on YOU. Stay safe, stay on your feet!

Grappling styles are not good against multiple attackers. While your on the ground with one the others will be kicking your skull in. Then you'll be bleeding all over the place because there will be a hole in your head from their kicks.

RBSD.....Is that Robert Busey's (the ninja guy) self defense? Just curious. I've seen some video tapes from Robert Busey's Warriors International (RBWI). They were really good tapes.

Grappling range with armed attacker(s) = BLOODY MESS.
But don't take MY word on it!

Agreed.

[Ben Grimm]

It depends on what you're looking for. For example, I've dabbled a little in BJJ and Judo. But once I decided to do some wrestling with a friend. I thought I was doing ok, then the bastard finished me with a suplex. I'm not much of a grappler, but I also want to be proficient in it. My advice to any newbie who reads this is find something compatible with a striking art or a grappling style that has striking in it (or vice-versa).