Which grappling art should I do?

[kingoftheforest]

Why bother, we ain't scared of the dark and all our gauges glow.

I hear tell some of you guys do too.

[USArmyBJJ]

Seems to me that you and TTE are functionally on the same page?

We pretty much are as far as the utility of going to the ground in a fight with multiple people. TTE misunderstood my post and went on a rampage without properly thinking through his response.

Where we differ is 1) whether grappling training is better than non-grappling training for both avoiding going to the ground and for surviving and getting back up if you're put there, and 2) whether TMA and/or RBSD can actually demonstrate that it fares any better against multiple opponents (my contention is that no unarmed style really works well against multiple opponents, and the best style is "track and field").

I mean unless you want an Army Vs. Navy thread?

LOL - I will say this about the Navy - They have great team-building skills. Every time a hundred guys get on a ship, fifty couples come off...

[Tant01]

Details, details....

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, like Judo, is a sport-focused derivation of traditional jiu jitsu. BJJ however is much more progressive, and it evolves even to this day. In BJJ, live sparring dominates the class. Ground grappling is the emphasis, and many times, sparring partners start "rolling" from their knees to eliminate the dangers of throws and takedowns. Though classes do teach some of the takedowns found in traditional jiu jitsu (some schools more than others) it also incorporates much of western-style wrestling for the stand-up game(single/double leg takedowns etc). ......

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With all due respect... "Brazilian" Jiu-jitsu came from Judo...

[USArmyBJJ]

In the grappling one the multiple attackers don't seem to be attacking in tandem, they have the old school movie mentality of taking turns.

I thought the smiley face was enough to show I was joking mostly with that vid. I just think it's a funny video.

[TTEscrima]

How many Sailors does it take to change a light bulb?

Why bother, we ain't scared of the dark and all our gauges glow.

[kingoftheforest]

Seems to me that you and TTE are functionally on the same page?

I don't get it? What did I miss?

Did someone try to type sarcastically? No disrespect intended....

I mean unless you want an Army Vs. Navy thread?

If that's the case you better bring your whole platoon.



How many Sailors does it take to change a light bulb?

Who gives a F, let's get hammered and then get laid.

[Tant01]

The difference?

For visual evidence see the following:

Striking against multiple opponents:

YouTube - Turkish Badass Fights Off Multiple Attackers

YouTube - Insane streetfight! Boxer takes out 2 guys!

Grappling against multiple opponents :

YouTube - Politician Fight - Judo master

Seems to me that you and TTE are functionally on the same page?

I don't get it? What did I miss?

Did someone try to type sarcastically? No disrespect intended....

I mean unless you want an Army Vs. Navy thread?

If that's the case you better bring your whole platoon.



How many Sailors does it take to change a light bulb?

[kingoftheforest]

For visual evidence see the following:

Striking against multiple opponents:

YouTube - Turkish Badass Fights Off Multiple Attackers

YouTube - Insane streetfight! Boxer takes out 2 guys!

Grappling against multiple opponents :

YouTube - Politician Fight - Judo master

In the grappling one the multiple attackers don't seem to be attacking in tandem, they have the old school movie mentality of taking turns.

[USArmyBJJ]

For visual evidence see the following:

Striking against multiple opponents:

YouTube - Turkish Badass Fights Off Multiple Attackers

YouTube - Insane streetfight! Boxer takes out 2 guys!

Grappling against multiple opponents :

YouTube - Politician Fight - Judo master

[CanFightIt]

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, like Judo, is a sport-focused derivation of traditional jiu jitsu. BJJ however is much more progressive, and it evolves even to this day. In BJJ, live sparring dominates the class. Ground grappling is the emphasis, and many times, sparring partners start "rolling" from their knees to eliminate the dangers of throws and takedowns. Though classes do teach some of the takedowns found in traditional jiu jitsu (some schools more than others) it also incorporates much of western-style wrestling for the stand-up game(single/double leg takedowns etc). Competitive BJJ matches end when an opponent "submits" to a choke or joint lock, or after time runs out, where points determine the winner (points are awarded for achieving takedowns or certain positions/escapes).

If you want to learn a practical self-defense art, learn BJJ. Ninjutsu and traditional jiu jitsu are cool for tradition, but although they'll teach you very effective moves, the lack of live sparring makes it hard to be confident in the moves if you had to use it in real life.

[jubaji]

Street mutts don't have a porch that's why they are street mutts, they fight for food and a place to sleep regularly.

the cocker spaniel gets a comfy bed and a hand out every night.

I just knew that analogy was gonna be trouble.




But they REALLY fight for food and stuff, right? They don't pretend to.

[kingoftheforest]

Considering that you've now completely backed off of your original argument about my post, I'll assume that you now see how stupid you looked. If you don't want to be made fun of again - I suggest you pick up a dictionary before criticizing other people's word choices.

So then put it back on track.

[kingoftheforest]

Wierd analogy, but ok. Then the question is how do you get there? By pretending to do things or doing them halfway (at most) and then hoping the rest will just come when it needs to? Or by doing things 100% over and over and over with no compliance until you know what you can do and can do it without thinking about it? Perhaps most significantly, nobody has anything to fear from a "street mutt" that sits on the porch and barks but has never actually been in a fight.

Street mutts don't have a porch that's why they are street mutts, they fight for food and a place to sleep regularly.

the cocker spaniel gets a comfy bed and a hand out every night.

[USArmyBJJ]

Yawn. You can always tell when people are unable to intelligently defend their position when they resort to (or in some case rely solely upon) spell checking, name calling, insults and evasion.

Considering that you've now completely backed off of your original argument about my post, I'll assume that you now see how stupid you looked. If you don't want to be made fun of again - I suggest you pick up a dictionary before criticizing other people's word choices.

[jubaji]

It all depends on whether you want to be a street mutt that survives or a cocker spaniel that runs into the glass doors.

Wierd analogy, but ok. Then the question is how do you get there? By pretending to do things or doing them halfway (at most) and then hoping the rest will just come when it needs to? Or by doing things 100% over and over and over with no compliance until you know what you can do and can do it without thinking about it? Perhaps most significantly, nobody has anything to fear from a "street mutt" that sits on the porch and barks but has never actually been in a fight.