Street fighting: Muay Thai or Wing Chun

[PETRIE]

Wing Chun V Muay Thai

over here...

[Troll Virus]

What evidence is there that Chi Sao works? Which MMA fighter has used it to good effect?

Well this guy immediately springs to mind;

Why is Kevin Chan, a Wing Chun master competing in a Jiu-Jitsu event? In Master Chan's words: "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) has dominated no holds barred events like The Ultimate Fighting Champions extreme fighting and Vale Tudo (no rules).

http://www.kamonwingchun.com/Jiu-JitsuGold.asp

http://www.kamonwingchun.co.uk/GeoffThompsonInterview.asp

Saying that Chi Sao works in a Thai clinch is a bit like saying that jumping kicks work in ground grappling.

You really did waste your year in Wing Chun.
Maybe not entirely your fault if nobody explained Chi Sau to you.
What could be more useful in clinch or grappling than a heightened awareness of your opponent and their options, through touch alone?


To me, the base problem with all these style vs style threads is the assumption that styles are blueprints you can map over people and turn them into fighters.

If you look at all the top MA people in the world, they're all people who take what they need, and forget about the rest.
Different people, different needs, different things taken.

e.g.

http://www.martialartinstitute.com/mai_instructors_profile_2.htm

1988 Tour of Far East. Master Tang fought in Thailand, represented one of Thailand's top ten Thai boxing camp (Luprapra). Won his professional fight knocking out the opponent in the 2nd round. Subsequently, Master Tang travelled to Hong Kong and China whereby he cross-hands with a total of 12 opponents in Hong Kong and China. He won all 12 matches with T.K.O.s consecutively in a period of one month.

All this theorizing means zip when you are about to get your clock cleaned.


P.S. For the record. I AM NOT A WING CHUN GUY!
It just happens to be one of many things I train or have trained in.

[Thai Bri]

Thai bri you really dazzle me with your complete lack of understanding of wing chun...not that it stops you running your gob off...oh yeah...ever heard of fa ging...knock out power of wing chun

This idiot needs to shut his fa ging face.

[PETRIE]

Wing Chun V Muay Thai

ahh thai bri...typical fucking americain...shoot your gob off,start a war you can't finish and then turn up fucking late...i've read a lot of your posts on here...you are a bullying fucking muppet...there you go,i've spoke the collective mind...ya **** wit!!

[Tom Yum]

ahh thai bri...typical fucking americain...

Bri is a proud Brit.

I'm an American; I think Bri is a helluva character. Sure he's rough around the edges, but he's a good guy.

[Garland]

ahh thai bri...typical fucking americain!

HA HA HA HA HA!

Fucking Bri...
Stupid American.

[Garland]

jj jk...I luvs ya Bri.

[PETRIE]

Wing Chun V Muay Thai

guys,i don't mean to be so -ve and full of bile...i just get hacked off with the constant this style is better than that style shit...i also want to say sorry to
all the americains on here...i didn't mean what i said...even if there is some truth in it...lol...at the end of the day...we all train in our own styles...all have good and bad points and knowing that as adults we should recognise that no 1 style is better than another...it does come down to the guy using it...so a big SORRY for my attitdue...except for you bri...i still think your a muppet

[Tom Yum]

all the americains on here...i didn't mean what i said...even if there is some truth in it.

Spell check.

[jubaji]

ahh thai bri...typical fucking americain...

Hey, choose the adjectives you place in front of my country with more care, you illiterate asswipe.

[PETRIE]

Wing Chun V Muay Thai

see what i mean...even when i appologise they still have to come back with the gob...and ahem...excuse me but seeing as english is the language of my country...ie we invented it,i will use my adjectives as i choose...as for illiterate the word is arse,as in, you arsehole!!

[Garland]

PETRIE...you're a fucking muppet, and a peasant. You are shite, so go sod off somewhere in a corner, you stupid piece of slimey shit.

So...let's hear a roll call
-**** off you fucking wanker!
Garland.

[Thai Bri]

...we all train in our own styles...all have good and bad points and knowing that as adults we should recognise that no 1 style is better than another...

Actually each style is not just as good as the other. That is just naive crap that is always pumped out by those people from the poor syles. Like you.

Firstly you have to define what the goals of the particular styles are. If it is "art" or Kata Competition, or self protection, then each style will score differently depending on the goal.

Yes, different people will perform better than others, and some people from shite styles may well overcome the lesser able ones from better styles. But so what? Those original folk would do EVEN BETTER at a good style.

Thanks to the guys here who supported me. Brought a tear t my eyes.... - And, in all fairness, I do like the muppets!

PETRIE. Deep down in the back of your head there is a voice of doubt about your precious Wing Chun. But you suppress it, partly because you find the training relatively easy (and you don't want to have to work too hard), and partly because you find security from the day dream that you are learning how to protect yourself.

But, like I said, deep down you doubt its value. Trust your instincts little fellah, and have the courage to walk into the local BJJ, Judo, Boxing or Thai Boxing class. Better still, go in and tell them that you will use Wing Chun to show them how it is done in a fight.... Let us all know what happens.

I think I know already though......

[jubaji]

see what i mean...even when i appologise they still have to come back with the gob.!!

Screw your empty, insincere apology after you shamelessly insulted my country.

..and ahem...excuse me but seeing as english is the language of my country...ie we invented it,i will use my adjectives as i choose...as for illiterate the word is arse,as in, you arsehole!!

If it’s the language of your country, you might want to take the time to actually learn it, moron.

[PETRIE]

wing chun v muay thai

lol you are so eliquent Garland...mmm

Thai bri...i have trained in my precious wing chun for the last 11 years...have needed to use it a few times...it's NEVER let me down...i am also a judoka...i realised that if i am taken to the ground that wingchun ain't so clever...just like muay thai...but i also know that once in close wing chun is one of the best styles out there...take a look at kevin chan or emin boztepe...sam kwok or james sinclair...i think that you have seen some half baked wingchun and assumed that it's all like that...oh dear