Street fighting: Muay Thai or Wing Chun

[MercilessMing]

Reason why People say muay thai and kick boxing is somehow better because
you know the basic movement and technique ( jabbing , striking , kicking and cliching ) , all you need to do is to get a big bag and you can be in your garage training anytime you like .

Anyway , it depend on how the instructor train you . Try not to look for the one that keep demanding you to come almost everyday . And also look for those that do more padwork and more direct training and those that dun teach useless move .

[Garland]

Oh yeah, she looked so strong when she ran crying from the stage of Saturday Night Live after dissin' John Paul II and getting booed and shouted down by even that crowd!

Man...I went to a Catholic school most of my life...they can be BASTARDS...trust me on that. Especially when you drop some jive on el papa grande.

[jubaji]

strong my ass, she's a psycho hose-beast

...
I've always thought Sinead O'Conner was a fox...I've always been attracted to strong women....

Oh yeah, she looked so strong when she ran crying from the stage of Saturday Night Live after dissin' John Paul II and getting booed and shouted down by even that crowd!

[Garland]

...on a SOMEWHAT (the title only) related note...I love this song...about the IRA and the turmoil in Ireland...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDG56Xq4JFQ

I've always thought Sinead O'Conner was a fox...I've always been attracted to strong women...and this song kicks the shit out of bitch boy Bono's work addressing the issue. That's right, I fuckin' said it, FVCK U2.

[Garland]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-eZCjp0B1E

[gabbah]

Might be able to do it with a machete. only 4 people can attack you at once, maybe 3 realisticly...and if you start hacking away...yeah if I had to...I'd take my chances against 20 unarmed people if I had a machete.

What about if you were attacked by 7 hungry zombies!?

[Garland]

Might be able to do it with a machete. only 4 people can attack you at once, maybe 3 realisticly...and if you start hacking away...yeah if I had to...I'd take my chances against 20 unarmed people if I had a machete.

[WildWest.]

You got me all wrong, my friend. If it's a 1 vs. 1 street fight (or in some cases, 1 vs. 2), of course a Wing Chun or Muay Thai fighter will have a higher chance of winning it. I'm not saying Wing Chun or Muay Thai is useless in a street fight! My opinion is if there are multiple opponents (or single opponents that turn into multiple opponents when his friends join in), then even a senior Wing Chun or Muay Thai student may have problems.

I don't have statistics that shows me whether most street fights are 1 vs. 1 or multiple vs. 1, so my opinion is just based on what I see (which may or may not be representative of most street fights).

In your experience, it might be different. You probably feel that most street fights are 1 vs. 1. In your case, yes, then Wing Chun and Muay Thai may work.

It all depends on the situation... so there isn't a straight "yes" or "no" answer to whether Wing Chun or Muay Thai will work on the street. That's why I chose to say "I'm not sure about (the) effectiveness in street fighting" instead of "it doesn't work."

Dude, 1on1 is one thing, multiple attackers is another kettle of fish altogether. As Bri said, it's a beating. It doesn't matter if you are a 20th dan BB supergrandmaster in all MA's. You won't be able to defend yourself against several people trying to club you all at once. I understand where you're coming from but once you start getting more than 2 people trying to fight one person then everything is different. And you're right, every situation is different.

A person who has trained MT under a good instructor in a good club and under resistance from their training partners as well as effective contact sparring, should do ok in a 1on1 street fight. This is assuming they don't freeze under the pressure of the situation. How you train is incredibly important, I would say more than the amount of techniques you know.
I can't speak for WC, but I'm not a fan of some of the techniques I've seen. Each to his own though.

[Garland]

or one against a mouse armed with a jelly fish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om1mfBpjflA

meets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPtqVh4fcoc

That's crazy...a sadistic mouse who doesn't give two shits about hurting you armed with a poisionous invertebrate...bad news bears.

[Thai Bri]

You may have missed one or two thousand points in my posts. The most relevant being that Wing Chun is more or less useless in a fight, be it one against one, one against two, or one against a mouse armed with a jelly fish.

And fights can, indeed, include multipled armed assailants. But they are in the minority and, of course, are classed as "beatings" rather than fights.

[ZeroAquaduct]

We sghould all gear our training towards what happened at your highschool 10 years ago......

You got me all wrong, my friend. If it's a 1 vs. 1 street fight (or in some cases, 1 vs. 2), of course a Wing Chun or Muay Thai fighter will have a higher chance of winning it. I'm not saying Wing Chun or Muay Thai is useless in a street fight! My opinion is if there are multiple opponents (or single opponents that turn into multiple opponents when his friends join in), then even a senior Wing Chun or Muay Thai student may have problems.

I don't have statistics that shows me whether most street fights are 1 vs. 1 or multiple vs. 1, so my opinion is just based on what I see (which may or may not be representative of most street fights).

In your experience, it might be different. You probably feel that most street fights are 1 vs. 1. In your case, yes, then Wing Chun and Muay Thai may work.

It all depends on the situation... so there isn't a straight "yes" or "no" answer to whether Wing Chun or Muay Thai will work on the street. That's why I chose to say "I'm not sure about (the) effectiveness in street fighting" instead of "it doesn't work."

[Troll Virus]

I agree with Thai Bri concerning Chi Sao. There is such a huge misunderstanding about what Chi Sao is for. It is a "sensitivity drill", and it does teach sensitivity, but only for one application, and that application is not found in BJJ and the like. The application is "sticking"

I'm not entirely in agreement.
ON TB's point regarding Clinchwork etc, we're missing each other.
The point in Chi Sau is the same, or perhaps more important depending on what you've gotten from it.
The point is to be tactile and not just perform pre-determined patterns of movement.
I'll personally credit Chi Sau with giving me ideas that contribute to clinch and grappling work, whereas TB might want to focus on more realistic scenarios.
The scenario isn't important to me.
What's important is that I'm tactile, so performing rote reactions in clinch work eg 'he pulls one way, so I knee other way' aren't truly tactile.
So many people are just going through 'motions' in practice, which is why drills and patterns patterns come under fire as being 'dead'.
I don't agree about the application being 'sticking'.

It has been ten years since I finished the system

Finished, or finished with?

So Thai Bri is correct in his accessment. To all the other Wing Chun Pracs, if you have only studied a year or two, you still have a long way to go. If you've studied more, then you know what I'm saying is true regardless of the mindless disputes that exist in the WC world.

Have to disagree with both of you, but look forward to a good discussion.

PS - the reason WC doesn't work most the time for most WC Pracs is that it is not a natural style, it is difficult to master, and there are systems out there that can have you up and running in much shorter time. WC is basically for very strange people who have the time and desire to put in the KUNG and the FU necessary to make the system work.

Me personally?
You get out of anything what you put in.
Sometimes you put the wrong things in and feel short changed.

What I would say (doubting that anyone in particular is paying attention) is;

Don't train with student of top guy, or student of student of top guy.
Train with Top guy!
If you then have criticisms or questions, ask Top Guy before quitting.
Then tell Top guy why you are quitting.
That's the best way of maintaining quality in MA, not bad-mouthing other peoples work on web forums.

Deal with the head of the snake!

[Thai Bri]

Well then, you are 100% RIGHT!

We sghould all gear our training towards what happened at your highschool 10 years ago......

[ZeroAquaduct]

Most of the fights you see on the news have weapons in them because that's what sells... they are but a minority of a fraction of a fraction of a minority of fights. And what school do you go to where 5 guys with bats and knives are jumping people... Sounds nothing like the norm. Whenever you handle that kinda business, you make sure you're outa a school zone... madd cops and the law will hit you harder.

Those multiple opponent fights were quite common. It's all back in high school in the mid-90s. If you live in my area (Richmond, BC), you'll know what I'm talking about. Extortion was a HUGE problem back then.

[Sly Dog]

Thai Bri,

I apologize for high jacking the thread. I'll try to keep to the more important matters here, like using a semi-colon to bludgeon my opponents, or maybe some of these MAs would like to explain the best way to defend themselves against a question mark