Street fighting: Muay Thai or Wing Chun

[PETRIE]

Wing Chun V Muay Thai

see what i mean...even when i appologise they still have to come back with the gob...and ahem...excuse me but seeing as english is the language of my country...ie we invented it,i will use my adjectives as i choose...as for illiterate the word is arse,as in, you arsehole!!

[jubaji]

ahh thai bri...typical fucking americain...

Hey, choose the adjectives you place in front of my country with more care, you illiterate asswipe.

[Tom Yum]

all the americains on here...i didn't mean what i said...even if there is some truth in it.

Spell check.

[PETRIE]

Wing Chun V Muay Thai

guys,i don't mean to be so -ve and full of bile...i just get hacked off with the constant this style is better than that style shit...i also want to say sorry to
all the americains on here...i didn't mean what i said...even if there is some truth in it...lol...at the end of the day...we all train in our own styles...all have good and bad points and knowing that as adults we should recognise that no 1 style is better than another...it does come down to the guy using it...so a big SORRY for my attitdue...except for you bri...i still think your a muppet

[Garland]

jj jk...I luvs ya Bri.

[Garland]

ahh thai bri...typical fucking americain!

HA HA HA HA HA!

Fucking Bri...
Stupid American.

[Tom Yum]

ahh thai bri...typical fucking americain...

Bri is a proud Brit.

I'm an American; I think Bri is a helluva character. Sure he's rough around the edges, but he's a good guy.

[PETRIE]

Wing Chun V Muay Thai

ahh thai bri...typical fucking americain...shoot your gob off,start a war you can't finish and then turn up fucking late...i've read a lot of your posts on here...you are a bullying fucking muppet...there you go,i've spoke the collective mind...ya **** wit!!

[Thai Bri]

Thai bri you really dazzle me with your complete lack of understanding of wing chun...not that it stops you running your gob off...oh yeah...ever heard of fa ging...knock out power of wing chun

This idiot needs to shut his fa ging face.

[Troll Virus]

What evidence is there that Chi Sao works? Which MMA fighter has used it to good effect?

Well this guy immediately springs to mind;

Why is Kevin Chan, a Wing Chun master competing in a Jiu-Jitsu event? In Master Chan's words: "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) has dominated no holds barred events like The Ultimate Fighting Champions extreme fighting and Vale Tudo (no rules).

http://www.kamonwingchun.com/Jiu-JitsuGold.asp

http://www.kamonwingchun.co.uk/GeoffThompsonInterview.asp

Saying that Chi Sao works in a Thai clinch is a bit like saying that jumping kicks work in ground grappling.

You really did waste your year in Wing Chun.
Maybe not entirely your fault if nobody explained Chi Sau to you.
What could be more useful in clinch or grappling than a heightened awareness of your opponent and their options, through touch alone?


To me, the base problem with all these style vs style threads is the assumption that styles are blueprints you can map over people and turn them into fighters.

If you look at all the top MA people in the world, they're all people who take what they need, and forget about the rest.
Different people, different needs, different things taken.

e.g.

http://www.martialartinstitute.com/mai_instructors_profile_2.htm

1988 Tour of Far East. Master Tang fought in Thailand, represented one of Thailand's top ten Thai boxing camp (Luprapra). Won his professional fight knocking out the opponent in the 2nd round. Subsequently, Master Tang travelled to Hong Kong and China whereby he cross-hands with a total of 12 opponents in Hong Kong and China. He won all 12 matches with T.K.O.s consecutively in a period of one month.

All this theorizing means zip when you are about to get your clock cleaned.


P.S. For the record. I AM NOT A WING CHUN GUY!
It just happens to be one of many things I train or have trained in.

[PETRIE]

Wing Chun V Muay Thai

over here...

[Garland]

see this is part of wing chuns problems and it does have a couple...i.e it is extremly effective in close...but unless you have been tutored in the correct applications of the entry techniques,you would be a duck in the water against a proficient kicker...however once you are in close wing chun does has some very nice "tools" including plenty of elbows,chockes,sweeps and kicks...the other problem is that it can be a difficult style to fully understand...eg chi sau doesn't actually have anything to do directly with fighting,it is simply a "tool" to allow you to feel your opponents openings and to apply your techniques in a safe and controlled way...it doesn't teach you directly how to punch or kick...i.e. how you are going to finish the fight...but what it does eventually develop into is a type of auto pilot that can be used in a fight...it is where a lot ( not all) of wingchuns speed comes from...but then i guess that thai bri already knows all this!!!

uh...huh? where'd u come from?

[PETRIE]

wing chun v muay thai

see this is part of wing chuns problems and it does have a couple...i.e it is extremly effective in close...but unless you have been tutored in the correct applications of the entry techniques,you would be a duck in the water against a proficient kicker...however once you are in close wing chun does has some very nice "tools" including plenty of elbows,chockes,sweeps and kicks...the other problem is that it can be a difficult style to fully understand...eg chi sau doesn't actually have anything to do directly with fighting,it is simply a "tool" to allow you to feel your opponents openings and to apply your techniques in a safe and controlled way...it doesn't teach you directly how to punch or kick...i.e. how you are going to finish the fight...but what it does eventually develop into is a type of auto pilot that can be used in a fight...it is where a lot ( not all) of wingchuns speed comes from...but then i guess that thai bri already knows all this!!!

[Tom Yum]

There are probably some master level wingchun practitioners that have put their art to use in self defense and made it work. If you can hit extremely fast and hard, you can potentially put someone out.

At the mid to lower levels, I'd imagine that most wing chun pracitioners would get smoked by a boxer or muay thai fighter with equivalent training time. I'm not saying wing chun is useless; I'm saying that it just takes a longer time to be effective.

This is usually due to training methods not being dynamic enough (no spontaneous, continuos fighting-grappling work) or conditioning.

I have used the center line theory many times in grappling. It works! Bruce Lee's base art was wing chun and he could throw a lead finger jab at the eyes, throat, solar plexus etc. EXTREMELY quick.

I'm certain wingchun has many useful principles; but like Bri mentioned how long do you have to do sticky hands until you're effective?

[jubaji]

Thai bri you really dazzle me with your complete lack of understanding of wing chun...not that it stops you running your gob off...oh yeah...ever heard of fa ging...knock out power of wing chun

psssssst.........stop. just stop.