Street fighting: Muay Thai or Wing Chun

[PETRIE]

Wingchun V Muay Thai

Thai bri you really dazzle me with your complete lack of understanding of wing chun...not that it stops you running your gob off...oh yeah...ever heard of fa ging...knock out power of wing chun

[gabbah]

is that Buakaw Por Pramuk to the left? hes awesome..why is he doing chi sau again?

Yes it is, and is he?

[WildWest.]

I respect that White Devil. Admittedly I am cynical too when it comes to hearing stories second hand, but this one really is true.

I don't like bullshit either.

[white devil]

hey by the way..just by the way..had anyone notice that we only hear stories from a friend of a friend of someone?

id like to hear personal experiences of wing chun..if it's your daughter'boyfriend's dad..we don't wanna hear it.

[white devil]

is that Buakaw Por Pramuk to the left? hes awesome..why is he doing chi sau again?

[OctaviousBP]

[WildWest.]

It's a true story and I agree with you regarding the unusual ranking for their WC system.....it turns out their instructor is also Chinese which makes it even more ironic.

Interesting what you say about the KO power...I hadn't looked at it from that perspective. Perhaps Wing Chun relies too much on quick techniques which annoy an opponent rather than finish them?

[Thai Bri]

That's great. This Wing Chun guy even had a Japanese ranking in a Chinese system! Multi cultural recognition for his skills!

If true (as if! haw haw haw!) it clearly shows that Wing Chun does not have KO power. Yes, drugs can give someone immense pain tolerance. But they don't stop the brain shake and KO from a solid blow in the right place.

[m_calingo]

Good to hear this coming from a Muay Thai man.

[WildWest.]

Muay Thai is one of the arts I train in and have been doing it for about 9 years now. I strongly believe in its hard sparring, no nonsense and direct striking techniques and its physical conditioning. I'm sure if I ever need to use it in the street, i'd like to think it will be most helpful.

However, I have a friend at our Muay Thai club who is also a 3rd dan in Wing Chun and he told me a story about one of his Wing Chun club members who effectively used his skill in his work place. This guy works in an auto transmission garage when one day an angry and aggressive guy on "P", or methamphetamine, comes in and starts to attack him. The guy floored him several times with his Wing Chun techniques i.e punches, elbows etc until he was a bloody mess. Keep in mind the guy didn't stay down until he was well and truly beaten due to the drugs in his system. The guys Wing Chun training worked in this scenario so, by this rationale, does have some merit on the street.

There is always an exception to the rule.

[muaythaiart.com]

Muay Thai is the best.

[darrianation]

Like the way Thai Bri explains it.

I have never been impressed with the wing chun (or many TMAs for that matter especially ones like WC) training methods. At least with sport methods i.e. boxing, MT, wrestling, BJJ, MMA, etc. You have the driving pressures that are in direct contex to the objective function. This will relate better than the fragile training methods of most TMAs in a street encounter where you will have to apply your skills full force to a fully resisting opponent.

[Thai Bri]

How can a drill practiced almost at arms length help you when the other guy has you gripped round the neck and is shoving powerful knees into your balls?

I reckon we may have one of those "chi sao also helps your grappling skills" eedjuts on the line....... EEEEEE AWWWWWWWW!

You cannonly "apply the philosophy" if you train to do it. It won't magically happen. Yes, there is a sensitivity to movement to be developed within the Thai Clinch. But you've got to practice the Thai Clinch to get it.

[theprophet]

As for it being good in a Thai clinch? How is that?

Chi Sao teaches you to feel the movement of your opponents arms (hands) and deal with it accordingly, how would this not be helpful in the MT clinch? Nobody is saying try to do Chi Sao (exactly how WC guys do it with each other) in the MT clinch it's the way to go!! that's absurd. But, I'm sure you can apply the philosophy within Chi Sao to the clinch or maybe even to get better hand positioning when going into the clinch.

It is a sensativity drill. That's exactly what it does, it makes you more sensative to any movement or changes in direction when your arms (hands) are in contact with your opponents. IMHO that can't be a bad thing.

[Thai Bri]

What evidence is there that Chi Sao works? Which MMA fighter has used it to good effect? Now I know that MMA is a "sport", and that WC is not. But that particular skill should still easily transfer. It isn't braking any rules. But it doesn't, coz it only works when both participants are doing it with each other and not bothering with other things.

As for it being good in a Thai clinch? How is that? A Thai clinch has the torsos very close together, often touching. Chi Sao is always done with the combatants almost at arms length. In fact they stay that way when they train with each other. That is the way they do things.... That is one of the reasons they just ain't prepared for the guy who crashes right in, all close up and personal.

Saying that Chi Sao works in a Thai clinch is a bit like saying that jumping kicks work in ground grappling.