Street fighting: Muay Thai or Wing Chun

[ZeroAquaduct]

We sghould all gear our training towards what happened at your highschool 10 years ago......

You got me all wrong, my friend. If it's a 1 vs. 1 street fight (or in some cases, 1 vs. 2), of course a Wing Chun or Muay Thai fighter will have a higher chance of winning it. I'm not saying Wing Chun or Muay Thai is useless in a street fight! My opinion is if there are multiple opponents (or single opponents that turn into multiple opponents when his friends join in), then even a senior Wing Chun or Muay Thai student may have problems.

I don't have statistics that shows me whether most street fights are 1 vs. 1 or multiple vs. 1, so my opinion is just based on what I see (which may or may not be representative of most street fights).

In your experience, it might be different. You probably feel that most street fights are 1 vs. 1. In your case, yes, then Wing Chun and Muay Thai may work.

It all depends on the situation... so there isn't a straight "yes" or "no" answer to whether Wing Chun or Muay Thai will work on the street. That's why I chose to say "I'm not sure about (the) effectiveness in street fighting" instead of "it doesn't work."

[Thai Bri]

You may have missed one or two thousand points in my posts. The most relevant being that Wing Chun is more or less useless in a fight, be it one against one, one against two, or one against a mouse armed with a jelly fish.

And fights can, indeed, include multipled armed assailants. But they are in the minority and, of course, are classed as "beatings" rather than fights.

[Garland]

or one against a mouse armed with a jelly fish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om1mfBpjflA

meets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPtqVh4fcoc

That's crazy...a sadistic mouse who doesn't give two shits about hurting you armed with a poisionous invertebrate...bad news bears.

[WildWest.]

You got me all wrong, my friend. If it's a 1 vs. 1 street fight (or in some cases, 1 vs. 2), of course a Wing Chun or Muay Thai fighter will have a higher chance of winning it. I'm not saying Wing Chun or Muay Thai is useless in a street fight! My opinion is if there are multiple opponents (or single opponents that turn into multiple opponents when his friends join in), then even a senior Wing Chun or Muay Thai student may have problems.

I don't have statistics that shows me whether most street fights are 1 vs. 1 or multiple vs. 1, so my opinion is just based on what I see (which may or may not be representative of most street fights).

In your experience, it might be different. You probably feel that most street fights are 1 vs. 1. In your case, yes, then Wing Chun and Muay Thai may work.

It all depends on the situation... so there isn't a straight "yes" or "no" answer to whether Wing Chun or Muay Thai will work on the street. That's why I chose to say "I'm not sure about (the) effectiveness in street fighting" instead of "it doesn't work."

Dude, 1on1 is one thing, multiple attackers is another kettle of fish altogether. As Bri said, it's a beating. It doesn't matter if you are a 20th dan BB supergrandmaster in all MA's. You won't be able to defend yourself against several people trying to club you all at once. I understand where you're coming from but once you start getting more than 2 people trying to fight one person then everything is different. And you're right, every situation is different.

A person who has trained MT under a good instructor in a good club and under resistance from their training partners as well as effective contact sparring, should do ok in a 1on1 street fight. This is assuming they don't freeze under the pressure of the situation. How you train is incredibly important, I would say more than the amount of techniques you know.
I can't speak for WC, but I'm not a fan of some of the techniques I've seen. Each to his own though.

[Garland]

Might be able to do it with a machete. only 4 people can attack you at once, maybe 3 realisticly...and if you start hacking away...yeah if I had to...I'd take my chances against 20 unarmed people if I had a machete.

[gabbah]

Might be able to do it with a machete. only 4 people can attack you at once, maybe 3 realisticly...and if you start hacking away...yeah if I had to...I'd take my chances against 20 unarmed people if I had a machete.

What about if you were attacked by 7 hungry zombies!?

[Garland]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-eZCjp0B1E

[Garland]

...on a SOMEWHAT (the title only) related note...I love this song...about the IRA and the turmoil in Ireland...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDG56Xq4JFQ

I've always thought Sinead O'Conner was a fox...I've always been attracted to strong women...and this song kicks the shit out of bitch boy Bono's work addressing the issue. That's right, I fuckin' said it, FVCK U2.

[jubaji]

strong my ass, she's a psycho hose-beast

...
I've always thought Sinead O'Conner was a fox...I've always been attracted to strong women....

Oh yeah, she looked so strong when she ran crying from the stage of Saturday Night Live after dissin' John Paul II and getting booed and shouted down by even that crowd!

[Garland]

Oh yeah, she looked so strong when she ran crying from the stage of Saturday Night Live after dissin' John Paul II and getting booed and shouted down by even that crowd!

Man...I went to a Catholic school most of my life...they can be BASTARDS...trust me on that. Especially when you drop some jive on el papa grande.

[MercilessMing]

Reason why People say muay thai and kick boxing is somehow better because
you know the basic movement and technique ( jabbing , striking , kicking and cliching ) , all you need to do is to get a big bag and you can be in your garage training anytime you like .

Anyway , it depend on how the instructor train you . Try not to look for the one that keep demanding you to come almost everyday . And also look for those that do more padwork and more direct training and those that dun teach useless move .