Nice safe world we live in...

[Tom Yum]

Well that all depends on your view of the difference in a warrior and a bandit.

Good warriors make their generals jobs easier...assholes who rape and pillage turn hearts and minds against the generals leadership...that is not a warrior its a thief who steals the honor of the leader and the principles he claims to hold dear, and he is helping the enemy.

Boar, I am intrigued by the definition of a warrior. What is it?

I don't doubt that the man in the Ranger vid was a warrior. He went through the training; he was given instructions to rape and pillage...perhaps he did and was just carrying out orders.

If he did not follow his orders, he could have been court martialed, right or other punishment. How does a warrior face a tough decision like this one?

I think most of us would follow our orders and try to forget what just took place.

[BoarSpear]

i absolutely agree. but it doesn't take honor to be a warrior, only a good one.

Well that all depends on your view of the difference in a warrior and a bandit.
Good warriors make their generals jobs easier...assholes who rape and pillage turn hearts and minds against the generals leadership...that is not a warrior its a thief who steals the honor of the leader and the principles he claims to hold dear, and he is helping the enemy.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Warriors make war....police are peace keepers...warriors kill it's their job...peacekeepers save lives and keep the peace,thats their job. Too many peacekeepers have warrior fantasies this makes them bad police because they were never a warrior in the first place nor did their job description intend for them to be a warrior...If they wanna be warriors there is a need for boots on the ground in several war zones.

again, there's a big disparity between how things ought to be and how things are. i'll admit, i choose the term warrior caste for a bit of dramatic effect. but the reality is that the police have authority that from my philosophical standpoint i cannot condone any one man holding over another.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Chivalry and honor decide are the factors that decide whether your warriors are seen as saviors or oppressors and bandits...War has never been nice....but honor always has a place if you are truly a warrior and not a mercenary or a bandit. Believe it or not, honor is a weapon.

i absolutely agree. but it doesn't take honor to be a warrior, only a good one.

[BoarSpear]

i think we have idealized visions of what makes a "good" warrior. the term is imbued with thoughts of honor, fairness and mercy towards fallen enemies. this is only what a warrior should be. a warrior caste is not made up of ideal warriors. the samurai have been the subject of more romanticising depictions that any other warrior class except for maybe the knights of the middle ages, but in both classes there were thugs and bullies. sometimes a warrior is no better than a jerk with a badge (or sword).

Chivalry and honor decide are the factors that decide whether your warriors are seen as saviors or oppressors and bandits...War has never been nice....but honor always has a place if you are truly a warrior and not a mercenary or a bandit. Believe it or not, honor is a weapon.

[BoarSpear]

i think we have idealized visions of what makes a "good" warrior. the term is imbued with thoughts of honor, fairness and mercy towards fallen enemies. this is only what a warrior should be. a warrior caste is not made up of ideal warriors. the samurai have been the subject of more romanticising depictions that any other warrior class except for maybe the knights of the middle ages, but in both classes there were thugs and bullies. sometimes a warrior is no better than a jerk with a badge (or sword).

Warriors make war....police are peace keepers...warriors kill it's their job...peacekeepers save lives and keep the peace,thats their job. Too many peacekeepers have warrior fantasies this makes them bad police because they were never a warrior in the first place nor did their job description intend for them to be a warrior...If they wanna be warriors there is a need for boots on the ground in several war zones.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

That's something that not many people are going to want to touch. Excellent point, but believe me there are many people out there that believe that anyone who is the recipient of that type of violence must have done something wrong to deserve it.

yes, there are many people who believe that way, and i think it has to do with what KOTF and i are discussing. we readily hand over too much trust to police because, well, they're the police!

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Please don't mix warriors with assholes who were given the authority by the state to beat people. There is a huge difference between a warrior and a jerk with a badge.

While there may be actual warriors in the police force, what that video showed was a few frustrated pricks who are tired of being picked on since highschool.

i think we have idealized visions of what makes a "good" warrior. the term is imbued with thoughts of honor, fairness and mercy towards fallen enemies. this is only what a warrior should be. a warrior caste is not made up of ideal warriors. the samurai have been the subject of more romanticising depictions that any other warrior class except for maybe the knights of the middle ages, but in both classes there were thugs and bullies. sometimes a warrior is no better than a jerk with a badge (or sword).

[Tom Yum]

Allen Iverson, a proballer with plenty of tats had his jewelry stolen of him.

I'm talking about the entire sleave of the arm/arms tatooed...

[kingoftheforest]

there's a warrior caste in our society authorized by the government to use physical force against you when you have not threatened them or commited any violent act yourself. somethin' to ponder.

Please don't mix warriors with assholes who were given the authority by the state to beat people. There is a huge difference between a warrior and a jerk with a badge.

While there may be actual warriors in the police force, what that video showed was a few frustrated pricks who are tired of being picked on since highschool.

[kingoftheforest]

If you saw this happening........

Isn't it the main goal of the thug to make sure nobody who is able to help is around. This happens when you are alone and isolated someplace with your head up your ass. That was a busy street that was an alley or a hallway, the perp made sure that nobody was around to help. These guys are PRO's most of them do this for a living, its how they get paid.

This kind of assault doesn't happen in the open. I bet that asshole followed that old lady all the way from the store. Like many people have said scavangers like soft easy targets. In the animal kingdom lots of unattended babies die from oppurtunistic animals, we even have then in our society.

[Uke]

i think we would all feel compelled to stop this if we saw it going on.

but what about if you saw this... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8729a3bf85

there's a warrior caste in our society authorized by the government to use physical force against you when you have not threatened them or commited any violent act yourself. somethin' to ponder.

That's something that not many people are going to want to touch. Excellent point, but believe me there are many people out there that believe that anyone who is the recipient of that type of violence must have done something wrong to deserve it.

[Uke]

This isn't a fight.

Its an assault.

Thugs target the elderly because they are easy targets.

They are less likely to target pro-football players, skate-punk types , power-lifting bikers, asian/latin guys with lots of tats, skinheads or visible law enforcement officers.

Allen Iverson, a proballer with plenty of tats had his jewelry stolen of him. As did Stephan Marbury. As did Zab Judah. Various rap stars. I agree that the average desperate thug wants an easy score, but we live in a time where people are getting more and more comfortable with taking what they don't have. And with the glorification of bling in music and televison, people want things that they don't need and can't afford.

I remember a time years ago when people were getting mugged for their leather coats, specifically 8-ball jackets. I remember people 3 or 4 years ago getting mugged for their Ipods. I remember a time when carjacking had gotten so bad in NJ that people were afraid to drive at night.

People don't think that they will be mugged at 12:00pm but it happens all the time. People like to believe that all ciminals are cowards, which is true for the most part, but forget that equalizers make them bold.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

i think we would all feel compelled to stop this if we saw it going on.

but what about if you saw this... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8729a3bf85

there's a warrior caste in our society authorized by the government to use physical force against you when you have not threatened them or commited any violent act yourself. somethin' to ponder.

[Tom Yum]

If that was my grandma I would have at least put that guy in the hospital or have sliced him with the knife that I carry.That is the way I am when it comes to women and children.

This isn't a fight.

Its an assault.

Thugs target the elderly because they are easy targets.

They are less likely to target pro-football players, skate-punk types , power-lifting bikers, asian/latin guys with lots of tats, skinheads or visible law enforcement officers.