Mugging in NYC

[kingoftheforest]

If I remember correctly, the wrestler slammed the solider down once or twice (on concrete) but the soldier remained calm and choked the wrestler out.

That's probably from the Army's current MAP program, which does include jj as well as other things. The soldier overcame the much larger, stronger adversary in any case.

I believe in this instance the wrestler died as well. It happened in a parking lot not to far from here.

[kingoftheforest]

Yes Uke facts are not welcome here.

The FACT that Alex Gong died in full gear after running out of his gym to assault a car thief is not proof here that Muy Thai may not work in a street situation.

The FACT that the information provided in the article you posted shows that the MA practiced on used in the mugging worked is of no consequence.

Its not hubris to continually call someone a

Lying sack of crap

after everyone of their posts.

What you are doing here is wrong Uke stop pointing out inconsistencies in other people's arguments. We don't take kindly to that 'round these here parts boy!





But it sure is fun to watch.

Remember if you disagree and back it up with facts your just being a jerk!!

[Tom Yum]

ROFLMAO, the last article I read about a wrestler was a local one where a college wrestler attacked a soldier with a maglight at Mcdonalds the soldier took the maglight and killed the wrestler with it. Finding an article where the sports fan survived the encounter (even the ones they start while armed against an unarmed opponent) ain't gonna be so easy, I'm betting all you get is more yapping from the mongrel with the scat fetish.

If I remember correctly, the wrestler slammed the solider down once or twice (on concrete) but the soldier remained calm and choked the wrestler out.

That's probably from the Army's current MAP program, which does include jj as well as other things. The soldier overcame the much larger, stronger adversary in any case.

[jubaji]

you still can't produce even one article about you or one of your brothers in tae-bo surviving let alone winning a mugging situation.

Did Garland ever claim that what he practiced was tae-bo? Or is that more of your lying bullshit, you dishonest pissy little no class punk?

[Uke]

LOL! Just as I've been saying. You do nothing but repeat yourself over and over and over...

And you don't? ....................

[Uke]

And this little piggy said "preposterous"

1) I do not live on the internet. Responding to your unfounded and preposterous arguments and childish name calling is not a priority on my list.
2) Good one. Sit there and make all the inane comments and personal attacks you can and try to rail on me for whatever you percieve as inexperience (I never made a personal attack, I simply stated that your actions were/are cowardly, not that YOU are a coward)... because from where I'm sitting...you're actions are pathetic, and you have no clue as to who I am, what I do, or what my experiences have been.
3) I'm not here to name drop or try and "prove" the efficacy of what I've trained in, especially through wasting my time hunting for news articles. I know I've seen articles in the past where a TKD practitioner or a shotokan guy have managed to difuse a mugging or a robbery (people get lucky)...it doesn't MEAN anything, skippy. But you're absolutely glowing after this article...are you really seeking validation in whatever it is you're training in so bad? If so, I have a brilliant idea...go walk around the rougher areas of your city late at night flashing a wad of cash...maybe then you can have some first hand experience instead of living vicariously through those who barely survived an encounter with providence looking over them.

Maybe if you hurry and do it soon, I won't have to respond to another one of your annoying posts.

Nobody can say with certainty that they can survive a knife attack. That's like going into a boxing match and expecting not to get hit, but instead of a punch, one slice or stab is enough to end your existence. The individual in the story lived because the first cut wasn't life threatening. Lucky. They were then able to deploy their own knife...which...hey...wait a second...isn't carrying a concealed knife illegal in that state? Also VERY lucky...

First, nobody guaranteed anything, Garland. You just keep exaggerating that point over and over again to make it seem that it was ever stated that anyone did. You're just so bent on defending "nothing is impossible", when that's already a given. That's the entirety of your argument. You are a scholar, and that's fine but your semantics have crossed the line into just lying when you make it seem as though anyone has guaranteed an outcome.

Second, I don't need any validation. This is one of many, many examples that I chose to share. I don't come here beating my chest saying that what I do is better than what you do, or what any one does. In fact, I rarely if ever discuss my teachers, the systems I've studied or what organizations I belong to.

The thing is Garland ... I don't need to.

You've never in the years that I've posted here seen me write that anyone should stop learning anything. If someone is happy with what they are doing, then live and let live. I have basically discussed distinctions, and many of them. I have the training and experience to discuss these things without having to drop names or endorse any particular system. I don't need to sell you or any one else on my beliefs and training, and I won't ever try. I wouldn't waste my time or disrespect my teachers by trying to prove anything to people over the internet.

This is just one article. Even if I produced 100 more you'd still argue that its a drop in the ocean of the world population, and you'd be right about that point. But I notice that in a world of billions of people and articles you still can't produce even one article about you or one of your brothers in tae-bo surviving let alone winning a mugging situation.

Here it is though:

I started this topic to discuss this article. The man in the story is from the same family. What about my post offended you so much that you needed to come running out talking shit? Was it my reference to Brewer's statement about being able to plan and calculate in situations like this article?

The man in the article and what I know he can do ... that's what I've talked about here. But here you come saying "this is bull ... this proves nothing ... luck played a roll ...".

As I said from the beginning, I shared the story to show how a real mugging unfolds and not the nice and neat sparring matches you and some others here pretend muggings to be. You know ... the kind where you can tae-bo or wrestle with men with knives?

Luck plays a role in every step you take and that's established. But for you, Garland, not to acknowledge that a man who was stabbed in the gut was able to assess the situation, deploy his weapon, take out all three of his attackers who were armed, call for help and survived to tell the story only shows that because you can't do it and clearly can't fathom anyone else doing it, you feel that you have to attribute it to luck. You're just as bad as the morons that insecurely attribute the pyramids to little green men from space because despite their self-perceived brilliance, they still can't explain or replicate them. They consider themselves scholars too, ya know.

Now how preposterous is that?

[jubaji]

If you're waiting for someone to introduce something new .

LOL! Just as I've been saying. You do nothing but repeat yourself over and over and over...

[jubaji]

Call me an asshole if you like.

Ok asshole, you're an asshole. FU asshole

[Uke]

What an asshole. It's always the same old act with this clown pUke.

Call me an asshole if you like, but its apparent that calling names and screaming for attention like a child with ADHD is all you're good for. You're a one trick pony that's gotten old a long time ago. Talk about same ole act, Mr If you're going to be a grown ass idiot at least be funny and amusing.

If you're waiting for someone to introduce something new about combat that hasn't already been discussed then you're even more stupid that we pegged you for. If that's the case, there's nothing new about MMA or wrestling except for the fact more and more people aren't buying into the hype that suggests that those disciplines give you the tools that will keep you alive in situations like the one in this article. If it all seems too familiar its because MA facts don't change. Your buffoonery used to, but even that's predictable and stale nowadays.

ROFLMAO, the last article I read about a wrestler was a local one where a college wrestler attacked a soldier with a maglight at Mcdonalds the soldier took the maglight and killed the wrestler with it. Finding an article where the sports fan survived the encounter (even the ones they start while armed against an unarmed opponent) ain't gonna be so easy, I'm betting all you get is more yapping from the mongrel with the scat fetish.

That's all we'll ever get and that's all we've ever gotten from jubaji: Bark fu and woof tickets.

[Tant01]

'tis true...

Nobody can say with certainty that they can survive a knife attack. That's like going into a boxing match and expecting not to get hit, but instead of a punch, one slice or stab is enough to end your existence. The individual in the story lived because the first cut wasn't life threatening. Lucky. They were then able to deploy their own knife...which...hey...wait a second...isn't carrying a concealed knife illegal in that state? Also VERY lucky...

I've seen guys that survived... I've seen guys that didn't. You know?

It's not pretty in either case.

[TTEscrima]

Why not challenge those two to produce a recent article where someone tae-bo'd or wrestled three muggers with knives?

ROFLMAO, the last article I read about a wrestler was a local one where a college wrestler attacked a soldier with a maglight at Mcdonalds the soldier took the maglight and killed the wrestler with it. Finding an article where the sports fan survived the encounter (even the ones they start while armed against an unarmed opponent) ain't gonna be so easy, I'm betting all you get is more yapping from the mongrel with the scat fetish.

[jubaji]

What an asshole. It's always the same old act with this clown pUke.

[Uke]

Exactly. Whatev.

You let days go by in order for those who have had the most to say to make a point and not simply nay-say posts, and not the facts contained in them. Once that happens, everything gets quiet and you begin hearing crickets chirp.

Its amazing how much noise some are willing to make about a thing that they don't even know about but refuse to learn enough about it to discuss it with any degree of competence.

Being able to recite tenets like "awareness and avoidance" doesn't mean you understand a thing. Especially if you think that this topic had anything to do with competing with muggers.

And just so you know Garland, "Osu" or "Oss" isn't just found in kyokushin.

Also Garland about your experience outside of playing tag ....

Krav Maga as taught in the US. is tae bo with an attitude. - Mark Tripp

Thanks for the quote, Tant01.

And speaking of Tant01 ... just because I recognize when someone is bullsh!tting their way through a discussion and I call them on it doesn't make it a flame war. You challenged me to be more helpful, and that's exactly what I was doing by sharing this article. It looked like most of the 8 people who post here enjoyed discussing it, but only two came to show their ass.

Why not challenge those two to produce a recent article where someone tae-bo'd or wrestled three muggers with knives? Better yet, ask them to produce a story from a legitimate US newspaper where anyone from their system/school has ever been shown to actually defend themselves!

I've produced an article from a legitimate US paper that makes all the points that I have here. This story was broadcast nationwide as TTE and few others heard it in their states. There's no leap of faith here.

I'd love to see what they have to offer. I'm sure all eight of us would.

If not, then like Garland said "Whatev".

[Uke]

Kumite Ryu Jujutsu

Awww .... you're just showing off now, IPON.

[IPON]

I'd like to know what the guy in the article studied since it seemed to work.

Kumite Ryu Jujutsu