Kicks at the fight

[GonzoStyles]

Yes. We already agreed that I didn't know the UFC rules and you posted them for me. Too bad they don't mean shit here.

Unfortunately that is the most technical thing you added to the discussion, which has nothing to do with the original thread.

You have however admitted to not having read the thread and that this is not the place where sports entertainment is discussed.

You've also offered that you know (god only knows how) that I'm full of shit, yet offered nothing of substance or any credentials as to why that is so, other than I don't know UFC rules.

No wonder you are a such stooge with this kind of logical process....

1. A. Your opinion on the relevance of training sport MA for "da street" has lost a little credibility since you have a shitty way of coming to conclusions via lies/ignorance.

If you didn't know the rules maybe you should have checked yourself before using a blatant lie to back up your stupid ass claims?

Besides the fact you didn't initially know the rules doesn't matter, I gave you two chances to go look them up before we started down this road, check the replay.

B. I stated that I replied to the last post, it doesn't mean I didn't read the entire thread, actually I stated that I read the whole thread and saw no one disputing your silly ass claims, so I took up the torch. Translation: "Why you only picking on me?"

Someone saying kicks have no place in a "real" fight is stating his opinion, some one making shit up about a rule set is talking out of his ass.

C. Someone who either makes shit up or passes along said bullshit to further their own agenda probably isn't privy to anything I would consider worth knowing.

I briefly expalined how a correctly thrown round kick to the leg is a higher percentage move than your silly stomp kick fantasy, as for credentials or any other technical discussion ask away and find out but you are really just trying to discredit me in order to save face.

You brought it up.

Actually no I didn't , you stated you didn't give a F about the UFC you were more concerned with what the top militaries of the world were training and since I pointed out that US army combatives includes many of the arts you consider unfit for RBSD, you split hairs with your personal opinion about whose armed services are better.....

Then don't pretend like I tried to hide how I feel about UFC circus acts.

I didn't pretend a damn thing, for the last #@*^! time, you made a claim based on BS, I asked you to clarify, then you acted like a dick and I put you in your place.

Yes so take your rules some where else because in a non sport related altercation, like I don't know an URBAN setting the UFC rules don't apply.

Never said that rules apply anywhere outside the ring/sport MA training, not sure what thats all about unless you are still just trying to save face.

3 minutes is roughly how long a round is, I'm sure it's not exact but I don't watch that shit anymore so close enough. But if I can fight you for 3 plus minutes with out severely injuring you either the style of fighting sucks or you can't hit.

You still cannot help yourself from talking shit can you? Are you barred by some oath from using a search engine? Rounds vary in time length, but in sport MMA with grappling involved they are usually longer than 3 minutes.

People are injured in MMA all the time, snapped bones, concussions, etc

if it was an altercation "In da street" I am sure some one could be killed via the beating of an unconscious body or application of various sub holds

I love how you claimed that stomping someones head full on doesn't kill them cause it hadn't happen in the UFC or K1. That's just the cats ass son. That is a vein of the smelly shit flung on here.

Actually it was PRIDE and those strikes were disallowed for fear of future injury/death to fighters, didn't say it couldn't happen, just stated the FACT that it didn't happen for the time those strikes were allowed.

If someone didn't die from that it's cause no one was trying to hurt anyone for real.

It is my earnest belief that reality has little to do with your mindset

And the instep is not the top of the foot there chuckles so FAIL.

Chuckles right back at ya!

Instep - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

[GonzoStyles]

I will note on the gif you posted that the technique is horrid. He's leaning back and holding onto something for support. If he were really trying to hurt the opponent he would be leaning into the stomp to create more forward pressure.

Perfect application of technique frequently runs into a roadblock called a "non-compliant victim"

look where the legs are of Kondo aka "the stompee" he was tryng to entangle the stompers legs, & having a small degree of success causing Silva to steady himself with the ropes

YouTube - Vanderlie Silva vs Yuki Kondo - The Finish

[kingoftheforest]

You really do have no idea do you?

Yep I just said I have no idea how you can beat on someone for 3 plus minutes as hard as you can and not kill or perminantly injure them.

[kingoftheforest]

oops got me on technical jargon again. I looked it up and while every one I have had as an instructor has called the inside section of the foot the instep you are correct it is actually the top of the foot.

Dang got me on technical jargon again, I have got to stop listening to those instructors.


I didn't look up the ufc rules because they don't mean shit to me, get over that.


As for your excuses as to why the guy in the vid has to compensate, well if you skill set sucks it sucks huh. too bad.

And if mindset has nothing to do with your reality then you truley are clueless in the arena of the world.

Talk some more this is making me laugh my ass off.

Or are you really gonna leave this time? Or just cuss and throw another fit about how awesome UFC is and how if you don't know the rules you can't fight?

[kingoftheforest]

Wow you spew so much crap I missed the part about my agenda, please tell me what it is because that sounds just like another forum member.

Who subsequently won't tell me what my secret agenda is. An agenda so secret I don't even know what it is.

You clowns are a riot, come on give me some more of your secret fighting abilities, so far I've seen knowing the UFC rules, the parts of the foot, and a kick you saw in a Van Dame movie.

[kingoftheforest]

The kick is a weapon to add to your toolbox; nothing more, nothing less...

Pros:
bigger muscles used, generates more striking power
not common, more deceptive
keeps distance for offensive weapons: keep someone in better shooting, OC spray range, baton striking range
targets to foot, shin, knee/back knee, carotid, groin, solar plexus etc.

Cons:
longer limb, not as effective in tighter spaces
makes fighter temporarily off balance
suspect to grabbing and takedown/sweep attempts
not generally effective as defense against weapons

I'm just a practitioner of MA's like everyone here and enjoy these discussions, not only to think about my own training but to see what others are training and learn.

IMHO, kicks should never be used alone. It goes against the concept of fighting deceptively, takes you off balance (weather/terrain affects movement and balance) and like KOTF said, you want to maintain forward pressure while fighting in an urban environment. In a military urban environment, kicks seem better used very sparingly IMO since you may be operating in full battle rattle and you have better weapons to chose from.

There are TKD/TSD and other artists out there who can probably end a fight with a kick or two, even high and flashy, but this day in age there are more people practicing more MAs and I don't want to expose myself to a takedown/sweep if I don't have to. Try throwing a kick at an experienced grappler, like Jubs, and after you miss and finish chambering - you're exposed for a takedown.

The OP stated an opinion about the usefulness of kicks. In my opinion, they're a weapon to add to your fighting arsenal, to be used sparingly. Here are a few that I think are useful:

Thai kick is a good one, but never as an initial attack. Best used as a progressive indirect attack after hitting hard upstairs to get your opponent moving - preferably into the swing of the thai kick. Also decent defensive movement - your opponent is swinging for the fences upstairs - make him miss and run into the thai kick. Which target? That's up to you - if the guy is well padded in the midsection, I'd thrust the thai kick slightly downard at the thigh for femoral esp if wearing boots (ala Mo Smith vs. Tank Abbot). Thin as a rail? Liver, rib cage etc. Good to practice kick grab escapes/defenses if they are targeted above the thigh.

Push kick - works well to shock your opponent. If you land a push kick straight into the solar plexus, it'll take your opponents wind out. Also good to keep your opponent at kicking range or further if they're trying to close the gap (non-takedown entry) and you want to strike them with a long range weapon (baton, OC spray, muzzle jab etc).

Stomp kick - awesome at close range destruction. KOTF described it; makes me think of MCMAP curriculum - takes your opponents focus downstairs and opens up the top side for striking or grappling.

Knee kick - another close range favorite. Classic from the clinch - again, the clinch is not static - you've got a vice grip around your opponents head/neck when done properly and because you do, you can move him/her off balance and into the thrust of the knee kick. By keeping them constantly off balance, it makes it harder for them to attack, but I wouldn't hold the clinch longer than you have to because your nuts are exposed and you loose line of sight downstairs. You can pop your opponents head back up from the clinch, using a bicep bump and use the elbows or after delivering a knee, keep the clinch but let his head up slightly so you can ram the crown of your head into a facial target (headbutt).

Any other useful kicks?

Back to the real topic. Lots to choose from, depends on what you encounter and what you think works best.

[tenzen]

Damn this thread is still going? What the hell? Give it a rest, kicking works for real if you know what your doing. Those guys breaking their legs with the kick were not kicking right there whole mechanics were wrong, which tells us they didn't know what they were doing in the first place. Like I said in another post, when performed correctly concrete and baseball bats can easily be broken with these kicks. And i m stressing the correctly part. Any improper technique has the potential to hurt you. Look at how many people break their hands throwing punches, bad technique. They don't understand punching. There is a difference between gloved and non gloved punching trying to fight like a modern day boxer while not wearing gloves will easily snap the small bones of the hands.
Its all about technique and point of impact. Plenty of people break boards and bricks with their hands, but if they are off a little bit broken hand. Also the shin and metatarsils are much stronger than the metacarpils.

This arguement is going no where.

[jubaji]

oops got me on technical jargon again. I looked it up and while every one I have had as an instructor has called the inside section of the foot the instep you are correct it is actually the top of the foot.

Dang got me on technical jargon again, I have got to stop listening to those instructors.


I didn't look up the ufc rules because they don't mean shit to me, get over that.


As for your excuses as to why the guy in the vid has to compensate, well if you skill set sucks it sucks huh. too bad.

And if mindset has nothing to do with your reality then you truley are clueless in the arena of the world.

Talk some more this is making me laugh my ass off.

Or are you really gonna leave this time? Or just cuss and throw another fit about how awesome UFC is and how if you don't know the rules you can't fight?

That may have been the worst job of admitting you were wrong in the history of bullshit excuses.

[jubaji]

Back to the real topic. Lots to choose from, depends on what you encounter and what you think works best.

Could you tell us about some of your 'encounters' and what worked best for you in those actual situations? That would be interesting and instructive.

[kingoftheforest]

Damn this thread is still going? What the hell? Give it a rest, kicking works for real if you know what your doing. Those guys breaking their legs with the kick were not kicking right there whole mechanics were wrong, which tells us they didn't know what they were doing in the first place. Like I said in another post, when performed correctly concrete and baseball bats can easily be broken with these kicks. And i m stressing the correctly part. Any improper technique has the potential to hurt you. Look at how many people break their hands throwing punches, bad technique. They don't understand punching. There is a difference between gloved and non gloved punching trying to fight like a modern day boxer while not wearing gloves will easily snap the small bones of the hands.
Its all about technique and point of impact. Plenty of people break boards and bricks with their hands, but if they are off a little bit broken hand. Also the shin and metatarsils are much stronger than the metacarpils.

This arguement is going no where.

Agreed technique is important. If you are trying to keep yourself safe in an urban environment then you need things that you can learn and apply quickly.

Since unless you leave the house in sandals you will be wearing shoes if you get into an urban altercation my opinion is that stomp kicks can be learned to apply much quicker and safer. The technique is simple and less room for error unlike the shin kick.

If we were in an MMA forum talking about ring fighting it might be a different matter.

[kingoftheforest]

Could you tell us about some of your 'encounters' and what worked best for you in those actual situations? That would be interesting and instructive.

Because I haven't already explained what I like to use right? Learn to read.

If some dumb ass throws up a set in front of me I like to wait till he weights one of his legs either for a punch or kick, then I kick him upward in the shin with my boot. It makes them lean forward, after that it depends on how they react to the shin kick. Usually there is an open hand slap to the side of their head coming.

[Da Pope]

Oh boy...not a f*@k!ng clue!!

[GonzoStyles]

Yep I just said I have no idea how you can beat on someone for 3 plus minutes as hard as you can and not kill or perminantly injure them.

Really you have no idea? Here is a clue.... NON-COMPLIANT TARGET aka someone resisting your super awesome > 3 minute kill/cripple attack sequence

everybody has a plan, until they get hit.---M.T.

oops got me on technical jargon again. I looked it up and while every one I have had as an instructor has called the inside section of the foot the instep you are correct it is actually the top of the foot.

Dang got me on technical jargon again, I have got to stop listening to those instructors.

Well if any of those instructors sold you on the whole "This kick is so deadly it's banned from MMA" or " I will show you how to kill someone with your BARE HANDS in under 3 minutes!" I would strongly consider it.....

Once again it is not about me busting you for some terminology it is about you spewing out a bullshit claim, the whole instep thing?

It was a great example of how you think and well you set yourself up for that.

I didn't look up the ufc rules because they don't mean shit to me, get over that.

For something that means so little to you, you never seem to miss an opportunity to decry it.

As for your excuses as to why the guy in the vid has to compensate, well if you skill set sucks it sucks huh. too bad.

Not an excuse just the reality of the situation, anyone can see that his victim was trying to entangle his legs, you can run into that when you are trying to injure someone in the real world it's called resistance.

P.S. I would sell the farm to see you apply your "Skill Set" against Wanderlei Silva for 3 minutes, as I believe a dose of cold, hard reality is the only thing that could open your eyes at this point.

And if mindset has nothing to do with your reality then you truley are clueless in the arena of the world.

Talk some more this is making me laugh my ass off.

Or are you really gonna leave this time? Or just cuss and throw another fit about how awesome UFC is and how if you don't know the rules you can't fight?

You calling me clueless after I made you look silly must be to boost your own ego, because I am sure that anyone who doesn't drink your brand of kool-aid could read this and agree your an idiot.

in example.......

Please quote me stating the UFC is anything other than another sport MA organization, it is not even the org. I prefer to watch, when I do choose to watch MMA, I am not a die hard fan by anymeans and haven't been for many years.

Please quote me stating if you do not fight according to the UFC or any other set of rules you will be ineffective, you made a claim about something I made a counter claim.


You were talking bullshit, I asked you to clarify so you would have a chance to correct yourself (TWICE!) then I confronted you, corrected your BS claim and since then you have tried to split hairs while opening a jar of red herrings as predicted

[jubaji]

Because I haven't already explained what I like to use right? Learn to read.

If some dumb ass throws up a set in front of me I like to wait till he weights one of his legs either for a punch or kick, then I kick him upward in the shin with my boot. It makes them lean forward, after that it depends on how they react to the shin kick. Usually there is an open hand slap to the side of their head coming.

I understand your theory. Is that how it has worked out for you personally in any actual altercations?

[jubaji]

Really you have no idea? Here is a clue.... NON-COMPLIANT TARGET aka someone resisting your super awesome > 3 minute kill/cripple attack sequence

it is about you spewing out a bullshit claim

It was a great example of how you think and well you set yourself up for that.

you can run into that when you are trying to injure someone in the real world it's called resistance.



You calling me clueless after I made you look silly must be to boost your own ego, because I am sure that anyone who doesn't drink your brand of kool-aid could read this and agree your an idiot.

in example.......



You were talking bullshit, I asked you to clarify so you would have a chance to correct yourself (TWICE!) then I confronted you, corrected your BS claim and since then you have tried to split hairs while opening a jar of red herrings as predicted

That's just sort of what he does.