Men's Violence

[Tom Yum]

oh... like my cock. too deadly.

You Pillipinos and your cock fights





Guy A brings hungry, angry rooster to arena.
Guy B brings constipated, psycho chicken to same arena.
An audience member smokes smelly cigar.
Guy with sunglasses and funny hat announces fight.

[squidd]

You Pillipinos and your cock fights...

Guy A brings hungry, angry rooster to arena.
Guy B brings constipated, psycho chicken to same arena.
An audience member smokes smelly cigar.
Guy with sunglasses and funny hat announces fight.

waddaaa... you should know better than to make fun of cock fights in front of a Filipino.

you acutally missed the real "wonder" of cockfights. they are called "kristo" literally named after Christ. i don't know why. but they are the ones that handle the bets. they match the betters for one cock with the betters for the other cock. it is not unknown for a kristo to match up to 20 or more pairs of bettors. after the match is over, lo and behold, the kristo knows every damn person that made a bet and how much they must pay or are due!

dude, you see so well versed with Filipino culture...

[Boston]

Misandrists Unite

I don't think anyone is saying they hate men. Is anyone?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19846

http://www.desertlightjournal.homestead.com/misandry.html

http://www.backlash.com/book/cycle.html

http://www.a-team.org/feminist_extremists.html

http://www.equityfeminism.com/mary_daly/daly_001.html

http://nzmera.orcon.net.nz/contents.html

I doubt that they would admit their hatred of men. That is so passé. Back in the day, no one would admit that they were a male chauvinist pig, but that didn’t mean that they did not exist.

All I know is that men perpetrate more than 95% of violence and that is not okay.

All I know is that women who claim that men perpetrate all this violence, but they don’t have to actually prove anything, they just need some gut feelings with a little misandry thrown in for good measure……..Men have been demonized for too long. The demonizing of women was bad when done by men (or women) and the demonizing of men, just cuz they are men, is just as bad, regardless if done by men or women.

Women's self defense is 99% about fighting men - not children, not other women, but MEN.

Women are just so nice (when they aren’t killing their children and their spouses and getting away with it), but your right, the kids might need the self defense to protect them from mommy (women are far more likely to kill their own children than men, but that isnt real violence, cuz women do it).

"battered-wife syndrome" is a useful excuse for why women get to kill without being labeled violent (or seeing any real consequences for their behavior). And after we acquit these women for killing their spouses, we can claim with lots of self righteousness that women are less violent than men. The "battered-wife syndrome" was a useful excuse when the courts and police did little or nothing to stop a batterer, and battered women's shelters didnt exist (aren’t all batterers male? We hold these truths to be self evident, thus no proof is needed).

And since this is a Women's Self Defense Talk- the best thing that I can think of - and what most of the women's movement and many men's movements want to figure out - is how to stop men from choosing to use violence. And that is why I think this chat will prove to be helpful to me and others.

You and your ilk are more likely to be happy when men are taught to cower in the presence of women and women swagger from their new found power in society (and you’ll see how fairly these women wield their power)….

Boston

[Blue Wave Gym]

Lol

I just finished reading the first page of this thread but could go no further once andera dworkin wascited a a sourec aganda exposed me thinks.Some of the women on here don't know the first darn thing about how men actually feel and think from what I've been reading.Yes violence is part of our nature but there's alot more to us than that, also women have no problem with our violence when it suits their security/monitary pruposes then it's ok i guess talk about hypocrits.

[Boston]

Misogyny & Misandry

All You gender studies types all should be able to answer this one.......

What is Misogyny?

What is Misandry?

So, while all you ladies and castrated males may know perfectly well what the first word means, I doubt highly that any of you knows what the second word means, if you dare to admit its existence.......

keep in mind the stronger your denials, the more we will know it to be true.....

my ex wife used to love to say that my money was her money and that her money was her money.......(as she was working towards her masters in business administration)......which led me to believe that women werent seeking anything as little as equality, they want way more than mere equality.........



When they claim that women make only 76 cents for every dollar a man makes I am very concerned.......Of course, for every dollar a woman makes in child support payments, a man gets about 20 cents........interestingly, in the case of child support money, the money is taken from men and given to women (while the men who dont get to keep the money have to pay the taxes on that money).

So, when men get the same amount of child support payments from women, then they should get paid the same..........or when women get paid the same, men should get the same in child support........

Either way, you will only hear women make claims of gender discrimination against them and you will never ever hear a feminist tell you when women already have a more than equal situation.........

feminists are worried about their rights and dont care about their responsibilities......I got bad news for the feminists.....with every right comes a responsibility.........

every heard the term taxation without representation? That is what this country was originally fougtht for...........that is what men have in their child rearing as soon as divorce occurs...........we have taxation (double taxation-they take your money and give it to someone else and you have to pay the tax on your lost earnings, not the person to whom the money was given), taking up to 33% of your income or more (in case your income drops, the courts rarely move down your payments-in case of lay off, change of career, etc).......

and your kids can be lost to you for the mere accusation of abuse, no abuse need be proven (so much for innocent until proven guilty and who cares about our constitutional protections for men-we all know men are bad )

http://www.fathers4equality-australia.org/

http://www.dadsindistress.asn.au/

http://www.fathers4equality-australia.org/equalparenting/fathers4equality.nsf/pages/media1

If violence is so bad, women, feminists and their castrated males would be as interested in misandry as they are in misogyny

[Garland]

the thing that makes me sad about the single parent issues....is that there are few to nihil programs for single fathers trying to raise their kids.

what is really upsetting is, it is true, our society has been a male dominated system from it's conception...but now that things have started to change...women are becoming just as bad as the men were. It's not a gender issue anymore...it is a power issue. Men are fuckers, women as bitches...we're all a bunch of lying, cheating, backstabbing opportunists.

[Boston]

[quoteour society has been a male
dominated system from it's conception.[/quote]

Is that what the feminist propaganda machine told you? Cuz at this point I believe very few of their lies..........Matriarchy is as historically influential as patriarchy.........if matriarchy is so new, then why has it come to its position of dominance so quickly? cuz it has always been here and never went away.

The feminists, in a quest to possess as much power as they claimed the men had, told all manner of lies to get them what they wanted and let me assure you that they would never be happy with equality, since they feel superior to us males in every way.

I am not suggesting that men are better than women and I am not suggesting that women are better than men. Any such theory is bankrupt from the start.

Some men are better than most women and some women are better than most men. And most men are better than the worst women and the worst men are far worse than the majority of women..........

But the msiandrists would have you believe that most all men are bad (except the catrated ones-of which I used to be one-I had to regorw the thing via new fangled bioengineeering techniques learned form an ancient samoria-sp?).......

the thing that makes me sad about the single parent issues....is that
there are few to nihil programs for single fathers trying to raise their
kids.

The way I figure it, most every one of us men knows at least one "hen pecked" husband in danger of battering or oppresion from his wife or girlfriend. For some reason women and girls go after men and then decide that they will change aspects of their personality that they dont like.....resorting to oppressive means, if necessary, to get their men to change to the man that they want.

Men are perfectly willing to settle for less than their ideal mate, but women are rarely willing to do so. since the feminist propaganda machine has told them that they can have their cake and eat it too (and that the cake will be paid for by some man that we neither need to appreciate, nor acknoweldge his sacrifice), they try to change their man into some feminist ideal of manhood that is oppressive to men. Feminsists prefer their men to cower and do household cleanign activities (in case you need to know how they like em).

dont bother to ask the feminsist misandrists who will do the lawn mowing, the fix the car, or soem mechanically inclined task (not that women are incapable, but statistically, more men are interested in these tasks than women-and often more capable)......

Shelters for men (and their kids) are so necessary right now and the feminsists will have you believe their is no need. Good for the goose and not for the gander, right? life will be more EQUAL when men have a place to go to get away from women who want to change men into women (or castrated males) and then run them ragged for their whims and fancies (and to buy them things and to do what they say, when they say it, or be threatened that they will call the police on you)......

oh yeah, boys, I'm your girl and I'm gonna call 911 and tell em some lie to get you arrested. I like this one so much.......see, in the old days, police would rarely arrest a man battering his wife, despite all evidence to the contrary (that abuse of the woman had occurred and it is more than a little bit obvious). Today, we have gone in the opposite direction. Now, the absence of proof of any battering isnt enough to exonerate a man (arent all men guilty?). and if a man calls 911 when his wife is abusing him? think they'll bother to come? as if?

[treelizard]

Wow, somebody has a lot of baggage!

Women's self-protection is a huge part of my life...AND I love men! (The ones that act like men instead of children, that is...)

Yes there are examples where men and women "settle" in relationships--that is a choice, people (men AND women) need to take responsibility for their own decisions, for choosing to stay or choosing to leave situations that are harmful, or I would even take it up a notch and say any situation that makes one feel less than cherished.

I would hope that if a woman came to you after having been assaulted, that you would treat her with appropriate consideration instead of railing on her for her alleged matriarchal power imbalance, or accusing her of calling 911 to "tell 'em some lie" to get her "innocent" abuser arrested. I'm sure there are some instances where this happens, however I know of MANY more where women are assaulted and nobody believes them or people tell them it is their fault.

As far as police rushing out for phone calls for domestic violence situations--not in my neighborhood. I have called the police several times when a neighbor kicks the shit out of his wife, and most of the time I wait by the phone and they don't come. My hope is that they will actually start coming around, so that when he kills her there will at least be a paper trail. Doesn't seem to be working so far.

I was also in a building once when a woman called the police on her husband. He had knocked her to the ground and maybe thrown a couple punches. The police did not arrest, there was no physical evidence. There are MANY examples of women that kill their abusers being held accountable in the courts, the most recent that I am aware of is People v. Mary E. Jones.

Perhaps comparing my anecdotes to your baggage would not be as useful as speaking to police officers themselves, or looking at court cases statistics.

In any case, let's move forward on this issue by building on a common foundation of the rights of men AND women to be safe, to protect themselves, to keep their communities and families out of harm's way.

Anybody want to talk about women's self-defense?

[Garland]

No...I'm too busy listening to the Jane's Addiction rendition of Lou Reed's "Rock & Roll".

Nothing matters at all...not at all.
started dancing to that FINE FINE musak
you know life is saved by rock and roll

[Boston]

ok,

treelizard says its all my fault (figuratively, dude, calm down......ooooh, its some buried issues that havent been dealt with that brings out my temper and I am taking it out on women (poor defenseless women) like all men do, right treelizard?) , like all men are bad and all women are good and in need of protection.........just like the reverse sexism that I have been desciribing.


just curious, treelizard, how long have you been an honorary woman (with the intellectual castration thingie going on-or did you opt for the real castration thingie-not feeling that that organ betwen your legs had much of a functional role anymore after heraring just a little too much feminist claptrap).


the funnny thing is, treelizard, I probably was teaching martial arts to women for their protection (against us big bad men) for free or for little money back when you was in diapers, and now your gonna tell me about protecting women......that's a good one.........

and dont worry, treelizard, I expected you to not attack my arguments, but rather to attack me personally, so i returned the favor in kind, have a nice day........

now, if you want to disucss my post and not my personal situation as if i am the enemy, i might treat you in a similar fashion..........

and not that any of you would know what this word means (since women and men are busy trying to pretend it doesnt exist), but misandry exists my friends and I refuse to any longer be the one who spraeds the stuff (I was one of the castrated men that "women can trust"-the implication being that most men arent trustworthy-a stereotype, not a reality.........

oh, and treelizard, if you ever stop hating your testosterone and stop worshiping estrogen, we can talk.....without personal attacks......

oh and boys, I just got this great new book yesterday, its called "spreading misandry", it was written by a man and a woman acting in collaboration (which I swear is possible when women -and men-arent blaming men for every ill in society), Paul Nathanson & Katherine K. Young, the subtitle is "The teaching of contempt for men in Popular Culture, published by McGill Queens University Press (not penguin books or some harlequin romance)......

I will be providing quotes from the book in coming weeks cuz this subject aint going nowhere........and boys, read the book, so you'll know how to protect yourself.....from women who love to demonize, from a legal system whose unmentioned ideas are that most men are violent and most men cannot be trusted.......keep in mind that if we locked up as many women in prison as we do men, there would be a huge backlash agaisnt such an activity, buy dont worry, they are still mostly locking up men, so you ladies can relax, they are only locking up men in America more than in any other nation including the soviet union (during the cold war) and every other despotic dictator on the planet.......but we wouldnt want you to think that there is a problem..........

Why does treelizard want women to learn self d or karate or some martial art?
for their own protection? yeah? against what? Rape?

and do you ever hear the feminists argue that we need to reform prisons cuz rapes of men are common there? hahahahahhahahahahhahahahah

you will never ever ever ever ever hear a feminist complain that men are getting raped.....they dont mind when men get raped.....they mind when women get raped......when men get raped, they make jokes about it (the best feminist humor is about rapists getting raped......but how funnny is it???????????? if rape is bad, then it is bad......how you gonna teach a rapist not to rape by ensuring that he gets raped in prison (and that is not to mention the female rapists----------they are another story altogether.......a story that the feminists will never tell)

[treelizard]

ok,

treelizard says its all my fault (figuratively, dude, calm down......ooooh, its some buried issues that havent been dealt with that brings out my temper and I am taking it out on women (poor defenseless women) like all men do, right treelizard?) , like all men are bad and all women are good and in need of protection.........just like the reverse sexism that I have been desciribing.

Interesting filter. Actually what I said was that both men and women have an unequivocal right to be safe. I also described several incidents that fly against your generalizations.

You have done a very good job of describing your baggage regarding your ex-wife and the child support payments you don't want to pay all by yourself. You didn't really need my help there at all.

and do you ever hear the feminists argue that we need to reform prisons cuz rapes of men are common there?

I believe this falls under the "men and women's unequivocal right to be safe" category.

just curious, treelizard, how long have you been an honorary woman (with the intellectual castration thingie going on-or did you opt for the real castration thingie-not feeling that that organ betwen your legs had much of a functional role anymore after heraring just a little too much feminist claptrap).

Actually, I AM a woman.

You wrote:

the funnny thing is, treelizard, I probably was teaching martial arts to women for their protection (against us big bad men) for free or for little money back when you was in diapers, and now your gonna tell me about protecting women......that's a good one.........

Then you wrote:

Why does treelizard want women to learn self d or karate or some martial art? for their own protection? yeah? against what? Rape?

Why were you teaching martial arts to women?

Are you saying that women don't get raped or that this isn't a problem?

now, if you want to disucss my post and not my personal situation as if i am the enemy, i might treat you in a similar fashion..........

Interesting, since you ignored all of the points I made in my post.

oh, and treelizard, if you ever stop hating testosterone and stop worshiping estrogen, we can talk.....without personal attacks......

LOL! I believe what I wrote was that I love men! Real men that is, the ones that don't act like children.

[Boston]

Moreover, you've constantly argued from a position that you are speaking from facts, facts which you can bring up at any moment to prove your position. Each post, I have asked you to do this. And each time, your response has been to go further towards attacking me as a person.

This is taken from page 3 of this thread and I take it cuz it says so much........just as treelizard was quick to attack me personally, not my argument, this has been the mo from the beginning........among those who seek to perpetuate the lies and myths about how "bad" men are and how "good" women are......women are no better than men and men are no better than women......anybody saying otherwise is full of it.......


Many thanks to Anton, Lightning and Earth, Braden, Rockwell for your contributions, and others who I have yet to mention........

I think many people get "brave" behind their keyboards and are much less...diplomatic in expressing their views than they would be if they were talking to that person one-on-one, you know?

I used to do this, treat the other person as if they were right in front of me and watch my tone for all kinds of negative crapolatoo, but then I realized I was just being old fashioned and almost no one on web forums recognized this form of civility, especially not if you dare to criticize the femisinist conspiracy. Yup, I was told I was too sensitive........And then I thouht to myself, why am I being so nice, this is a martial arts forum (I post on other ones as well, with hundreds of posts, I spend hours making my posts, thinking, rewritting, throwing it in the spell checker-not this time- and I get three minute responses that are more personal attacks than well thought out responses........I have lots of respect and civility in store for anyone who attacks my arguments and leaves me out of the fray.

Do I bring personal bagge to the forum? yeah. and who doesn't? certainly not the feminist misandrists and their castrated friends, right? That I dare to admit where my baggage lies does not automatically disqualify my arguments as the castrated dudes would have you believe.....it merely puts out where I am at and some of what I have had to deal with and is by no means the only forms of misandry I have dealt with in nearly fourty years of life.......I was raised not by wolves, but by lesbian misandrists from the age of 13 and I know more about misandry than most of you know about misogyny (And I know a lot about misogyny too, having been raised by two feminist lesbian historians, of the univ of michigan @ ann Arbor and the Univ of Wisconsin, @ madison........

I am in the process of writing a book about my life and my lifes experiences with misandry (not that any of you have much of an idea what that word means yet). since my book hasnt yet been written, I recommend the following books to anyone interested in knowing more......Every one of these books is available on amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...97743?v=glance)

Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men
in Popular Culture (McGill-Queen's Native and Northern
(Hardcover)) (Hardcover) by Paul Nathanson, Katherine
K. Young

The Rantings of a Single Male: Losing Patience with
Feminism, Political Correctness... and Basically
Everything (Paperback) by Thomas Ellis

The War Against Men (Paperback)How Misguided Feminism
Is Harming Our Young Men. by T. Hise

The Hazards of Being Male: Surviving the Myth of
Masculine Privilege. by Herb Goldberg

Predatory Female (Paperback)
by Shannon Lawrence

What Men Know That Women Don't: How to Love Women
Without Losing Your Soul (Paperback)
by Rich Zubaty

The Manipulated Man (Paperback)
by Esther Vilar

[Boston]

You have done a very good job of describing your baggage regarding your ex-wife and the child support payments you don't want to pay all by yourself.

see, i dont care if you are a dude or a dudette. A this point, you wont get no special treatemnt just cuz you are a woman.

you want to be treated equally, then you shall, and you shall be attacked just as easily and quickly as a man.

This one makes me laugh the most.....since i have never had children in my life..........

and since you are still entirely focused on women and dont care about what happens to men (these are not issues that you can bring up in the absence of women since women are your sole focus with the rights of men thrown in for good meansure or to pretend that you are somehow balanced in your approach).

, then I can sleep well at night, knowing that I will defend myself (from the backstabbing and the lies)......and that women (many of them) cannot and should not be trusted until they have as much interest in what happens to men as they want us to have in what happens to women..........

keep demonizing men, trelizard, it just proves my point........

[Boston]

'Don't be a 'Dad!', says Aussie Parenting Group

Dear New Zealand Equality Education Foundation

In light of the overwhelmingly toothless recommendations recently tabled in the Family Law Amendment Bill (2005), Australian Parenting group Fathers4Equality has urged all Australian men to simply refrain from having children, if possible.

Fathers4Equality spokesperson Sonja Hastings claims that the only protection afforded to fathers from an increasingly entrenched family law ideology that has placed woman's right above and beyond the best interests of the child, is to simply refrain from fatherhood.

Ms Hastings claims that nothing in the proposed bill 'enforces' the child's right to an equal and meaningful relationship with both parents, and simply panders to the excessively tax-payer funded single-mother's lobby group, who demand equality on the one hand, but refuse equal rights to fathers and children on the other.

Ms Hastings has stated that "if the treatment fathers received in the family court today was to occur to women in any sector of society, there would be justified outrage. But judges, lawyers, politicians and many women's groups are of the view that discrimination against fathers and children of separated families is not only acceptable, but encouraged in modern day Australia."

Ms Hastings urges all Australian men to think seriously about the consequences of having children in this country. She says that "no matter how decent, hardworking & caring you may be as a father, that in the event of separation, you will more than likely not get custody of your child, you will lose up to 80% of all your family assets, you will have to pay up to 5 times the real cost of raising a child in child support payments, & most importantly, you could never see your child again, and the law will do everything in its power to enforce your exclusion from your child's life."

However, if you still hope to be a father one day, Ms Hastings supplies the following suggestions:

* Ensure you sign a fair and reasonable pre-nuptial agreement before marriage, and use this pre-nuptial agreement to document your mutual understanding that equal parenting in the event of separation is in the best interests of the children involved.

* And voice your support to government members of parliament such as Peter Slipper MP, who have recognised the obvious shortcomings of the this new legislation, and who have suggested further amendments to emphasise the need for equal parenting as the cornerstone of this new changes.

The Hon Peter Slipper can be contacted via email at: Peter.Slipper.MP@aph.gov.au, or can be phoned on (02) 6277 4975 or faxed on (02) 6277 8514

[Distribute freely]

Sonja Hastings
PO Box 1264, Portland Vic 3305
0415 899 574

http://www.fathers4equality-australia.org

[Boston]

you ignored all of the points I made in my post.

You made points? I thought your only point was to point out that I dared to admit what my baggage was. and I needed attacking cuz I dared to say that my baggage has a lot to do with women and their mistreatment of me, specifically becuase of my gender.

so, women should feel free to come here and complain about men, but if a man was to dare do the same thing, let all hell break loose and attack this dude.....the sooner the better......cuz we all know the best place for men is cowering in a corner some place (at least if you support feminism blindly).

ps, there is only one way to support feminism, blindly, cuz you arent allowed to discuss it or reflect on its negatives.

Once I was having a nice conversation with my mother when I told her I had trouble identifying with feminism because i thought it did not well represent me and my story.

did she just tell me that we could talk about this at some other time since it was late and she might be tired, or did she say that she was not going to ignore this subject since i had so dutifully listened to her concernes over the years? hahahahhahahahahaahah, another good one......anybody want to guess what my mother did instead of acting rationally and fair, willing to disucss an issue of gender concerns on the part of her son? she started yelling into the phone, refusing to have that conversation and hung up on me.......that wouldnt count an an example of female violence since we all know that women......yeah right.....my mother's mo is to yell first and capitulate never.....and i spent most of my growing years being yelled at by my loving mother.....yell first, ask questions later......but we shouldnt hit people right? bad news for ya, bitches, yelling is a form of violence more likely to be used by women, itr is a form of oppression that women are very comfortaqble with and will rarely do anything to stop........dont yell at me and you wont get hurt...