On the mat with Jubidoo

[kingoftheforest]

There's really no such thing if you think about it. There are many kinds of shots and dozens of combinations of various finishes and counters and such.

So then when the coach was teaching the 8 year olds how to shoot in the video, it wasn't a basic move, and they were all advanced wrestlers?

Am I to believe there is not a basic mechanics of the shoot? That you just throw someone in the ring and say "Figure it out."?

There is nothing taught as a basic shoot in wrestling?

[jubaji]

Once you commit to the shot you're not going to be able to stop if the opponent does something you don't like

Sure you can; happens all the time, although rather than 'stopping' you will transition off to something else or to another finish based on your opponent's reaction. Often it is a matter of anticipating that reaction and playing the chess game 3 or 4 moves out from the initial shot. And of course the shot can even be a complete feint intended to get the opponent into position for something else entirely.

[jubaji]

I asked about just the basic shot.

There's really no such thing if you think about it. There are many kinds of shots and dozens of combinations of various finishes and counters and such.

[kingoftheforest]

Now you are not only talking about the shot but also the kind of finish you may pursue depending on your opponent's reactions...

It's really kind of complicated

You should have a goal in mind as to what is going to happen before you move. In the short time it takes to close the distance and commit to the move you won't have time to change your mind or momentum.

What is the initial plan of attack when performing the "most basic beginner shoot".

Once you commit to the shot you're not going to be able to stop if the opponent does something you don't like, so what's the initial goal here?

Plant shoulder, snatch legs, drive opponent down to mat.

From everything I know that is the mechanic of your "basic shoot".

I didn't ask for fancy I specified "basic shoot" in my first question.

So just cover the basics please.

[kingoftheforest]

There are a lot of different kinds of shot, so that description is a little vague to cover them all.

I specifically asked about a "basic shoot". Is there not a basic move that is taught to beginners? Once again is there not an objective to the move prior to the initial blast?

[kingoftheforest]

That's going to depend upon what kind of shot you are taking, what kind of penetration you get, and how your opponent responds.

I asked about just the basic shoot. Can you answer that? I asked if planting the shoulder in the hip was the objective. Do you not have a goal once you start to move?

[jubaji]

So you would drive in with the legs plant the shoulder, which would if done properly position your arms and hands just behind and slightly below the knee?

Are these correct assumptions for a typical basic shot?

Now you are not only talking about the shot but also the kind of finish you may pursue depending on your opponent's reactions...

It's really kind of complicated

[jubaji]

You're not just ducking down and grabbing their legs to my understanding, correct? It requires the forward momentum from the shoot as well as the leg snatch.

There are a lot of different kinds of shot, so that description is a little vague to cover them all.

[jubaji]

But isn't the object to drive your shoulder into the persons hip and snatch their legs out from under them, using the force of the shoot to unbalance them and make the leg snatch possible?

That's going to depend upon what kind of shot you are taking, what kind of penetration you get, and how your opponent responds.

[kingoftheforest]

Let me ask you this then honestly just to clarify for myself, because i understand the idea isn't to drive your head into the other person. But isn't the object to drive your shoulder into the persons hip and snatch their legs out from under them, using the force of the shoot to unbalance them and make the leg snatch possible.

You're not just ducking down and grabbing their legs to my understanding, correct? It requires the forward momentum from the shoot as well as the leg snatch.

So you would drive in with the legs plant the shoulder, which would if done properly position your arms and hands just behind and slightly below the knee?

Are these correct assumptions for a typical basic shoot?

[jubaji]

And here we see again that the little bitch is reduced to lies and fabrications in order to make up something she feels comfortable responding to. I guess between role-plays she sews together straw men with the rest of her sewing circle.

[jubaji]

It seemed to me that you've been asking how leading with the head can be a "good thing" in the context of self defense where weapons are present. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you(DJForest) wanted to know how leading with the head into the path of the blade, brick or any other sharp or blunt object could be considered prudent or practical as it pertains to non-choreographed or non-rule based combat.

No, that is not what he asked. Wipe the shit out of your eyes and read his question again, moron.

[Uke]

To "lead" means to go first to guide and direct. If you "lead" with your head, meaning you deliberately put it out ahead of your body as the first line of penetration, you are going to get snapped down into a front headlock, shucked aside, or eat a bone-crunching crossface. The idea is to keep the head, neck, and shoulders in a vertical plane as much as possible given the dynamics of the movement and the relative position/movement of your opponent. You should also keep your hips under you as much as possible as you close, which will vary according to the kind of shot as well as the other variables mentioned above. If anything is going to 'lead' it will be the hands and the lead leg. Now' if you drop a plumb line from the shooters nose at any point along the way, will it fall flat across his chest? Given human anatomy and the dynamics of the movement in relation to the opponent's movement, probably not, but that does not mean you 'lead' with your head. This is a classic case of not understanding what you are looking at. Now, we could get into knee to shoulder position, setting up the shot, dynamic movement vs ideal form (a tough concept for you role-play types) but that should be enough to give you the basic idea IF you really want to understand. If you just want to be a dick and deliberately remain or appear ignorant (and we know you do) then you will respond with some nonsense that proves you weren't paying attention to what I've just explained to you.

I await either the :

A) theory-boy d-bag response (expected)

Or

B) reasonable person who wants to understand something about wrestling response (would be a pleasant surprise)

And there you have it people!

Jubaji aka Master Bunny does it again!

DJForest, excellent question! But its no match for jubaji's street lethal knowledge.

It seemed to me that you've been asking how leading with the head can be a "good thing" in the context of self defense where weapons are present. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you(DJForest) wanted to know how leading with the head into the path of the blade, brick or any other sharp or blunt object could be considered prudent or practical as it pertains to non-choreographed or non-rule based combat.

Well Jubaji delivered!!!

What you seemed to have missed DJForest, was that you're actually NOT supposed to lead with the head "as much as possible"!

Jubaji aka Master Bunny says that it would be foolish to lead with your freakin' head when attempting penetration. That would be a rookie move. No, instead of leading with the head towards a knife/brick/bottle, Jubaji says stay vertical so that the entire body becomes a bigger target! With so many places to choose to stab/slice/bash, the attacker will become overwhelmed with indecisiveness ... giving the defender time to secure the shadow slam!!!

Now that is martial science, folks!

Jubaji aka Master Bunny sent us a video demonstrating the proper form to close the distance between you and a knife or baseball bat wielding thug and get proper penetration:

Now this may look "sporty" to some folks but let me tell you people this is hardcore stuff. This little gem of a maneuver is sometimes called "the shoot". This is what you'll find it called in most circles. But Jubaji has modified it to suit his street lethal system's needs. After augmenting the speed that is used with this move to an almost inhuman level, Jubaji has dubbed it the "Flying Thunder God" technique.

I'm sure you've heard of that, DJForest. Its legendary after all.

[jubaji]

Oh, and don't forget to keep those elbows in tight as well!

[jubaji]

I want a video breakdown explaining how even though the head sticks out farther than any other part of the body during the shoot, it still doesn't lead.
More importantly not only does the head lead, but with the face forward and completely exposed and the arms too far away to protect anything.
how?

To "lead" means to go first to guide and direct. If you "lead" with your head, meaning you deliberately put it out ahead of your body as the first line of penetration, you are going to get snapped down into a front headlock, shucked aside, or eat a bone-crunching crossface. The idea is to keep the head, neck, and shoulders in a vertical plane as much as possible given the dynamics of the movement and the relative position/movement of your opponent. You should also keep your hips under you as much as possible as you close, which will vary according to the kind of shot as well as the other variables mentioned above. If anything is going to 'lead' it will be the hands and the lead leg. Now' if you drop a plumb line from the shooters nose at any point along the way, will it fall flat across his chest? Given human anatomy and the dynamics of the movement in relation to the opponent's movement, probably not, but that does not mean you 'lead' with your head. This is a classic case of not understanding what you are looking at. Now, we could get into knee to shoulder position, setting up the shot, dynamic movement vs ideal form (a tough concept for you role-play types) but that should be enough to give you the basic idea IF you really want to understand. If you just want to be a dick and deliberately remain or appear ignorant (and we know you do) then you will respond with some nonsense that proves you weren't paying attention to what I've just explained to you.

I await either the :

A) theory-boy d-bag response (expected)

Or

B) reasonable person who wants to understand something about wrestling response (would be a pleasant surprise)