Mixed Martial Bullshitters

[Garland]

cliche my ass.
When are you going to get into a fight on grass or even carpet?
fucking moron.
Shut it, c-u-n-t.

[MuayThaiFighter]

most real fights dont end up on the ground. anyone who says 9 out of 10 fights end up on the ground doesnt know about real fights. its great to know groundfighting just in case u do get taken to the ground, but be realistic. ur saying 90% of real fights in streets and bars and alleys turn into groundfighting? anyone with some real world experience can tell u otherwise.

I didn't say anything about bar fights.I agree bar fights don't end on ground because usually bouncers break it up before it goes to that point and grab both guys to throw them out of club.On the street it's different though.

Chances of going to ground in a dark alley is high because if you get jumped it most likely will be by a group of guys who will grab you and slam your face into ground before they start pounding on you.Most dark alley fights also involve weapons like a bat,knife or gun (if you live in U.S).

By the way I use to get in fights all the time when I was in high school as well as in my early 20's so I do have real life experience.

[jubaji]

cliche my ass.

Might want to see your doctor about that, kid.

[koto_ryu]

....and Muay Thai is the most practical in the sense it doesnt take a ******* rocket scientist to learn how to throw a punch or elbow does it.

Most MTers I've sparred with have sissy punches, but that's my opinion

I havnt lost a fight yet because of lack of ground grappling knowledge, not yet! And i have found myself on the ground many a times only to get back up.

It's the "not yet" that should make you think more about what you're saying....

[koto_ryu]

I Simply because karate doesn't teach much useful stuff for self-defense it's more forms.To think a karate person would win a real fight on street against Muay Thai is plain silly since they are used to doing mostly forms and point sparring as we are used to doing full contact.

Depends entirely on which form of karate. Never heard of full-contact karate?

With or without gloves we are used to punching full out and going straight through with our punches instead of pulling back and snapping our punches or kicks.

All the karate I took emphasized straight through, so no, that's wrong.

Karate,kung fu,tae kwon do aren't ring sports.

But they have ring sports for each.....

[koto_ryu]

I said it would be a good idea to train more in Muay Thai particularly because the striking skill from the majority of fighters aint the best in UFC....

I'm sure Vitor or Jens could knock out a good MT practitioner

Mate, Muay Thai is not in UFC, sorry to say this but what you see in UFC are kickboxers with few Muay Thai skills.....

Pat Smith, Maurice....need I go on?

[koto_ryu]

This reminds me of a story...........

We were in Thailand for Cobra Gold, buying all the cheap stuff we could, drinking booze, and basically enjoying our free time. In many of the bars they'd have a Muay Thai ring where fighters would go softly on each other to try to coerce Marines and the like to step in and fight with them, then they'd go as hard as they could to knock them out. They wouldn't fight me or a few other guys as we were too big, but they seemed determined to get our friend Gonzo in the ring, a small (maybe about 5'5" or 5'6", maybe 140 some pounds) big-nosed Mexican guy. What most of the MT fighters in the bar do is go soft on each other and watch the guys drink, then call out the drunkest ones so they can beat on them in the ring. They kept jeering at Gonzo as he was doing his shots (actually just water, we found out later. Fucker.) and finally he said yeah, he'd fight one of them. Too bad they didn't know Gonzo's been boxing since he was a young guy, and was in lots of amateur matches before he joined the Marine Corps, was even a runner-up for a Golden Gloves competition. He's tough for a little guy too, he helped me do my impact conditioning during CG and afterwards until he went to Lejeune.

Anyways, I digress So Gonzo strips down to his PT shorts and has the bartender tape up his hands for fighting, then gets in the ring with this guy. They begin trading shots, feeling each other out, then going harder and harder on each other. Around the middle of the 2nd round Gonzo put down the Thai, and hard, with a body shot. Dropped him two more times in the 3rd, and the guys corner threw in the towel on the 4th. So naturally, Gonzo's a little irritated by this point (he doesn't like leg kicks, whenever we'd condition them he'd always bitch about them) so when the other guy who was sparring with Thai #1 (Yo-something) starts yelling shit at him, he calls out the other guy. This goes to about the 5th or 6th round, after Gonzo realized elbows were legal (had a nice big mouse on his left eye) started throwing them like his hooks and bam, lights out for Yo.

Needless to say, afterwards, much drinking, celebration, and support of prostitution occured afterwards

[Tom Yum]

Depends entirely on which form of karate. Never heard of full-contact karate?

Kyokushin and Seidokan Karate produce some mean fighters. I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard that the kyokushin black belt test involves the infamous 100-man sparring session. I guess you pass if you are able to take a beating after you've gassed...

Not 100 all at once, but consecutively. That's 100 rounds. Even the bare knuckle boxers of olden days never fought past 50 rounds, if I'm not mistaken.

[koto_ryu]

Kyokushin and Seidokan Karate produce some mean fighters. I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard that the kyokushin black belt test involves the infamous 100-man sparring session. I guess you pass if you are able to take a beating after you've gassed...

Not 100 all at once, but consecutively. That's 100 rounds. Even the bare knuckle boxers of olden days never fought past 50 rounds, if I'm not mistaken.

Might be true, first time I heard of it. As for bare-knucklers, longest match was 180 rounds.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Most MTers I've sparred with have sissy punches, but that's my opinion



It's the "not yet" that should make you think more about what you're saying....

Most MTers I've sparred with have sissy punches, but that's my opinion

If this is true then you haven't fought any good Thai Fighters you probably sparred beginners who claimed to have lots of experience.Try fighting a good Thai Fighter and you'll get your ass kicked.We are known to have powerful punches just as boxers are and have powerful shin kicks.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Might be true, first time I heard of it. As for bare-knucklers, longest match was 180 rounds.

As for bare-knucklers, longest match was 180 rounds.

You have any proof of this because until I see any I consider this B.S. No one would ever last 180 rounds,that's a hell of alot of rounds to last.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Depends entirely on which form of karate. Never heard of full-contact karate?



All the karate I took emphasized straight through, so no, that's wrong.



But they have ring sports for each.....

Depends entirely on which form of karate. Never heard of full-contact karate?

Yes I've heard of full contact karate but in general karate isn't full contact.You usually have a choice of point sparring and continuous sparring at karate tournaments where as Muay Thai does full contact.

All the karate I took emphasized straight through, so no, that's wrong.

Well my karate school emphasized that too when practicing on kicking shields but during sparring we always had to control ourselves by pulling our punches and snapping our kicks except for when it came to foot sweeps and spinning backfists.The only advantage about pulling punches and snapping kicks is avoiding getting hurt if you have to go to work next day other then that it's pointless.

[MuayThaiFighter]

I'm sure Vitor or Jens could knock out a good MT practitioner



Pat Smith, Maurice....need I go on?

I'm sure Vitor or Jens could knock out a good MT practitioner

Probably,because as far as I know they know both Muay Thai and Brazillian Jujitsu,the best of two arts.

[Garland]

As for bare-knucklers, longest match was 180 rounds.

You have any proof of this because until I see any I consider this B.S. No one would ever last 180 rounds,that's a hell of alot of rounds to last.

This does seem like an overstatement. Of course, back in da' day, rounds weren't counted like they are now. What did they go by, knockdowns?
180 knockdowns /slips for a fight....were they drunk at the time?

Remember, old school boxers couldn't hit as hard as new school boxers. This is due to a) the advent of gloves, which allows you to deliver more force without breaking your hands, and decreases the amount of cuts the opposing combatant receives...and b) modern training. Say what you will, none of the old school methods can surpass modern training. Do you honestly believe shit doesn't get better with time? Don't believe me, go hit a bong, pops... Cuz new training methodologies is da CHRONIC.

As for who has the longest RECORDED fight time...maybe Helio Gracie and Kimura, or perhaps Mas Oyama's 300 man Kumite. No slouches there, mine.

[Garland]

Depends entirely on which form of karate. Never heard of full-contact karate?

Yes I've heard of full contact karate but in general karate isn't full contact.You usually have a choice of point sparring and continuous sparring at karate tournaments where as Muay Thai does full contact.

All the karate I took emphasized straight through, so no, that's wrong.

Well my karate school emphasized that too when practicing on kicking shields but during sparring we always had to control ourselves by pulling our punches and snapping our kicks except for when it came to foot sweeps and spinning backfists.The only advantage about pulling punches and snapping kicks is avoiding getting hurt if you have to go to work next day other then that it's pointless.

Now correct me if I'm wrong...but even the most hard-core main stream style of Karate, Kyokushin, MAS OYAMA'S fighting karate, generally doesn't allow punches to the face in competition. Now...Kyokushin guys are tough, look at Hug and Aerts...but not hitting the face is not full contact, and if I remember correctly, Oyama took many techniques from muay thai when developing his art. Even the competitive fighters of his lineage that fought in Thailand
or fight K-1 will supplement Muay Thai in their training.

Any of you Karate guys that are posting on this particular thread seem to be of the less than hard-core line. I have mucho respect for Kyokushin guys...but nobody trains with the zeal anymore! 'cept Budo Karate House guys...and they'll do Thai fights and tough man competitions just to fight. That's balls, and heart, and that's how you become a good fighter...by FIGHTING.