9/11 a different perspective

[Garland]

One plausible explanation. Just one.
We're all ears....

George Bush knocked down the Towers...Mos Def and Immortal Technique says so. (lol.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H99TdRm9_08

Actually...I wouldn't rule out his cabinet somehow being involved in the hijackings and shit. I mean, looking at it from their position, the government definitely exploited the shit out of it. If they didn't plan it, they certainly took advantage in a very fucked up way, and it definitely kept the media busy and off political scandals at the same time.

I support our troops, but the war in Iraq, in my opinion, was a mistake. And a poorly planned, and even more poorly implemented one at that.

[DickHardman]

Why is it that anyone who questions things that have HUGE flaws in them like the Kennedy fiasco gets grouped in with the UFO people?

I didn't see little green men or aliens...I researched the available resources and came up with questions the reports couldn't answer...our own government QUIETLY has released studies saying Oswald didnt act alone...but they don't wanna discuss it...See Todays news for how the FBI kept the John Lennon files sealed for NATL security...What a load of crap...

btw boar i wasnt implying that you were crazy or anything like that. i just figured since you like conspiracy theories and whatnot that mabye you would like my ufo thread. i myself love to read about consipracy theories, not because i believe every single one, they just tend to be pretty fascinating read about think of.

[Garland]

congnition to concrete hallucinations...with a little help from naturally occuring processes. I guess reality is truly subjective. A schizophrenic has a very different sense of things than you or me...neither is wrong, it's just what goes on in your head. Everything we percieve is done so by internal systems...hence...it's all in your head!

[Garland]

so you didnt like my ufo thread then?

The UFO cults are really quite an interesting topic to cover. In an anthropology class I took about cults, there were some pretty weird parallels between so-called "abduction" experiences and "religious" experiences...the main culpret appears to be an altered state of consciousness brought on by naturally occuring brain chemicals and associations in the brain with different things. There is a really bizarre correlation between UFO abductions and the type of experiences of some Holy Rollers.

[DickHardman]

Why is it that anyone who questions things that have HUGE flaws in them like the Kennedy fiasco gets grouped in with the UFO people?

I didn't see little green men or aliens...I researched the available resources and came up with questions the reports couldn't answer...our own government QUIETLY has released studies saying Oswald didnt act alone...but they don't wanna discuss it...See Todays news for how the FBI kept the John Lennon files sealed for NATL security...What a load of crap...

so you didnt like my ufo thread then?

[BoarSpear]

FBI releases last of secret John Lennon files

LOS ANGELES, Dec 20 (Reuters Life!) - The
FBI has released the last 10 documents from its secret files on slain Beatle John Lennon that had been withheld for 25 years on the ground they could prompt "military retaliation" against the United States, campaigners for their release said on Wednesday.


The files turn out to contain only well known information about Lennon's ties to left-wing leaders and antiwar groups in London in 1970 and 1971, said Jon Wiener, a history professor at the University of California, Irvine, and the Southern California chapter of the
American Civil Liberties Union.

"Today we can see that the national security claims the FBI has been making for 25 years were absurd from the beginning. The Lennon FBI file is a classic case of excessive government secrecy," Wiener said in a statement.

The released documents include one that states Lennon "encouraged the belief that he holds revolutionary views ... by the content of some of his songs."

Another talks of the Beatle turned anti-war campaigner promising to finance a left-wing bookshop in London. A third describes a 1971 interview with Lennon in The Red Mole, a London underground newspaper, in which the singer "emphasized his proletarian background and his sympathy with the oppressed and underprivileged people of Britain and the world."

Wiener first requested the files in 1981. After legal action under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act that went all the way to the Supreme Court, he got most of the 300 pages in the Lennon files released in 1997.

But 10 documents remained classified on the grounds of national security. The FBI told the U.S. courts in 1983 that release of those documents could "lead to foreign diplomatic, economic and military retaliation against the United States."

Wiener, whose campaign was detailed in a book and formed the basis of the 2006 documentary "The U.S. vs John Lennon," has posted the documents on the Web site www.LennonFBIfiles.com.

"I doubt that
Tony Blair's government will launch a military strike on the U.S. in retaliation for the release of these documents," Wiener said.

Lennon, whose iconic song "Imagine" has become a rallying call for anti-war activists around the world, was murdered in New York in December 1980 by a deranged fan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061221/od_nm/lennon_fbi_dc_3

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Bullshit INC man I swear...

[BoarSpear]

have you seen my ufo thread yet?
http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/s...ad.php?t=21869

Why is it that anyone who questions things that have HUGE flaws in them like the Kennedy fiasco gets grouped in with the UFO people?

I didn't see little green men or aliens...I researched the available resources and came up with questions the reports couldn't answer...our own government QUIETLY has released studies saying Oswald didnt act alone...but they don't wanna discuss it...See Todays news for how the FBI kept the John Lennon files sealed for NATL security...What a load of crap...

[DickHardman]

Big things don't get covered up in America huh?

MAJOR Medical experiments and sterilization of unaware and unwilling American citizens, torture of American citizens, etc have never been covered up for 50 years or longer for NAT'L Security?

That's some serious Bullshit right there

Ever seen the list of people who died BEFORE giving testimony in the Kennedy assasination?

Remember the first bombing of the world trade center? Remember how the trial was closed after the defendants identified American C.I.A. agents as their HANDLERS and contacts who SUPPLIED the money and intel for the bombing?...that's called a False flag operation we are hardly new to the concept or use of them.

have you seen my ufo thread yet?

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=21869

[BoarSpear]

It's true. This is how they used to treat patients in sanitariums in the U.S.

They also kidnapped Americans off the streets to give them drugs and locked them in rooms for observation...Sterilized Blacks without their knowledge or consent.... and Tortured AMERICAN prisoners in regular US prisons and still cover this up, the court case is headed for the Supreme CT now I believe.

[Garland]

MAJOR Medical experiments and sterilization of unaware and unwilling American citizens, torture of American citizens, etc have never been covered up for 50 years or longer for NAT'L Security?

It's true. This is how they used to treat patients in sanitariums in the U.S.

[BoarSpear]

To me, it isn't so much that somebody wouldn't, but that they couldn't. By which I mean they couldn't have staged 9/11 and cover it up.

Too many people would have to be involved in the plot - you could assasinate a few, and some would keep thier mouths shut, but we talking dozens of people with all kinds of backgrounds. Somebody would leak - and once one person did, it would get legs fast because...

Too many people with resources are looking at it. Not just the media, but also the Dems, the bloggers, the whole internet and all the Boarspears on it.

There would be a paper trail. You couldn't organize something that big without e-mail or something. Moreover, once somebody came up with a convincing story, people who didn't know the whole story but had a role in it would see the connections and they would start talking, too. Once somebody started talking, bits and pieces would fall together. As soon as it became dangerous for the conspiritors, some of them would get lawyers and try to save themselves by talking.

The government just isn't capable of pulling it off with so many people watching. Maybe fifty or a hundred years ago when the media was slow and centralized; nowadays, a person could blow the whole plot on a blog complete with pictures, e-mails, and blueprints and not even give up his identity.

Heck, hardly a dozen people were in on the watergate break in and that was before the internet, before motion sensors and ubiquitous security cameras.

So that's the thing with me and conspiracy - There are plenty of people who would be willing to do all sorts of things; most won't because they either can't, or because they can't get away with it.

Big things don't get covered up in America huh?

MAJOR Medical experiments and sterilization of unaware and unwilling American citizens, torture of American citizens, etc have never been covered up for 50 years or longer for NAT'L Security?

That's some serious Bullshit right there

Ever seen the list of people who died BEFORE giving testimony in the Kennedy assasination?

Remember the first bombing of the world trade center? Remember how the trial was closed after the defendants identified American C.I.A. agents as their HANDLERS and contacts who SUPPLIED the money and intel for the bombing?...that's called a False flag operation we are hardly new to the concept or use of them.

[gregimotis]

Yeah, America wouldn't ever consider this

To me, it isn't so much that somebody wouldn't, but that they couldn't. By which I mean they couldn't have staged 9/11 and cover it up.

Too many people would have to be involved in the plot - you could assasinate a few, and some would keep thier mouths shut, but we talking dozens of people with all kinds of backgrounds. Somebody would leak - and once one person did, it would get legs fast because...

Too many people with resources are looking at it. Not just the media, but also the Dems, the bloggers, the whole internet and all the Boarspears on it.

There would be a paper trail. You couldn't organize something that big without e-mail or something. Moreover, once somebody came up with a convincing story, people who didn't know the whole story but had a role in it would see the connections and they would start talking, too. Once somebody started talking, bits and pieces would fall together. As soon as it became dangerous for the conspiritors, some of them would get lawyers and try to save themselves by talking.

The government just isn't capable of pulling it off with so many people watching. Maybe fifty or a hundred years ago when the media was slow and centralized; nowadays, a person could blow the whole plot on a blog complete with pictures, e-mails, and blueprints and not even give up his identity.

Heck, hardly a dozen people were in on the watergate break in and that was before the internet, before motion sensors and ubiquitous security cameras.

So that's the thing with me and conspiracy - There are plenty of people who would be willing to do all sorts of things; most won't because they either can't, or because they can't get away with it.

[BoarSpear]

But when you start talking about covert operations that involve fake planes, planted explosives and a conspiracy that would involve dozens if not hundreds of people, you enter the nutcase zone.

Yeah, America wouldn't ever consider this behavior...

Operation Northwoods anyone?

U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba

By David Ruppe

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001

"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

Gunning for War

The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford."

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Looks to me like the people who laugh at us for questioning the possibility this could happen are the ones ignorant of History and facts about how the those in charge think.

[Garland]

put an ear to this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRK_iA_ENcc&mode=related&search=

hypnotize you into buying cheeseburgers and drugs...just like the liberal media!

[Garland]

oh...so kinda like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uFbx-EtUFk