9/11 a different perspective

[DickHardman]

uke, what did you think of the video were the iraqi insurgents try to warn us about the NWO?

[Uke]

Seems that no matter how much evidence is introduced to some people, they will choose to remain in denial. I say "choose" because even though there are facts to be considered that may change their initial conclusions, they would rather not read or hear them so that the can stay rooted in blissful ignorance.

[DickHardman]

iraqi insurgents warn americans about the arrival of the nwo!

look at this clip made by iraqi insurgents, they warn us americans about the rise of the new world order. even these insurgents talk about how the united states has been hijacked by a select few, trying to put in motion the same plan henry kissinger has been talking about since the 70's. all propaganda or could there actually be any truth to this? these insurgents even warn us that our governments will instill laws that infringe on our freedoms and rights, just like they ended up doing!!

btw, look all the supply trucks of foreign companies that are filmed in this clip, all trying to cash in on a humanitarian crisis.......

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTrhVY-Wwgs[/YOUTUBE]

[DickHardman]

damn, this guy just cant stop talking about creating a new world order.......

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKY2lBZglTA[/YOUTUBE]

[DickHardman]

still talking about the new world order....

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bKwH3kJew4[/YOUTUBE]

[DickHardman]

"My country's history, Mr. President, tells us that it is possible to fashion unity while cherishing diversity,
that common action is possible despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs we see here in this
chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable. So we say to all peoples and governments: Let us
fashion together a new world order." -- Henry Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of the
United Nations, October 1975)

[DickHardman]

oh whats this? henry kissinger talking about the new world order? was this a slip up?

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5893776210550624236&q=kissinger+new+world+order

[DickHardman]

IPON, you were absolutely correct. This documentray of sorts produced more information on 9-11 than any other source. I can see why some were terrified to view it as it would shatter their unrealistic belief that our country is based on altruism.

This was very powerful and very informative. Regardless of the opposing views of those who commented without even watching it to digest the facts, there is something here to be learned by everyone.

You cannot argue with facts. You can argue with opinions, but not with facts.

I had heard many theories and speculations on what might have happened on 9-11, but nothing this comprehensive. Nothing this well researched. This provided actual interviews, video and audio evidence, and conclusions from scientists and demolition experts. Not to mention the fireman who were in the actual towers when it happened. This video actually had their actual transmissions!

I'd like to thank you for posting this. As a fellow New Yorker who was in the city when the crashes happened, many of the facts hit home.

9/11 was the official beginning of the NWO. iraq was the first country to fall. who will be next????? are we all going to be living under one global power within the next decade??? our current usa leaders have violated our american constitution and laws repeatedly, using 9/11 and the war in iraq as excuses to do so.

[Uke]

First, let me say that I am definitely not a conspiracy theorist, but I certainly don't dismiss logical information even if it’s not popular. I was sent this link and I must say it packed with research regarding the twin towers, pentagon and flight 93. I live and NYC and remember that Tuesday morning it was crazy. I think the worst part (or least said) was the smell. The smell traveled more than 100 blocks and lasted for weeks (every 20 NY blocks is ~1 mile). Anyway, I always had a problem with how the twin towers fell; it did not seem correct considering the damage. Now, in my (potential) ignorance, there were “expert” explanations for why the building collapsed as it did. I was fine with the explanations because they seemed “logical”. After watching this film I am questioning again.

For those interested this is a film about 129 minutes, time well spent IMHO. No conspiracy theories but very good research and the questions come from the research. If you believe the government is not wrong or should not be question or cannot be open minded. This will be a waste of your time. However, if you are open-minded this will certainly be a good discussion topic.

Click films, then loose change 2nd edition. Can see from Google or divix

http://www.loosechange911.com/

IPON, you were absolutely correct. This documentray of sorts produced more information on 9-11 than any other source. I can see why some were terrified to view it as it would shatter their unrealistic belief that our country is based on altruism.

This was very powerful and very informative. Regardless of the opposing views of those who commented without even watching it to digest the facts, there is something here to be learned by everyone.

You cannot argue with facts. You can argue with opinions, but not with facts.

I had heard many theories and speculations on what might have happened on 9-11, but nothing this comprehensive. Nothing this well researched. This provided actual interviews, video and audio evidence, and conclusions from scientists and demolition experts. Not to mention the fireman who were in the actual towers when it happened. This video actually had their actual transmissions!

I'd like to thank you for posting this. As a fellow New Yorker who was in the city when the crashes happened, many of the facts hit home.

[IPON]

IPON, I'd still like a synopsis of what the movie said. I may be able to research things on my own a lot easier than sitting at the terminal for two straight hours watching a video. Just a thought. Maybe it would help get the discussion on track.

I think you are right that is the best way to get the discussion going. The film was packed with (alleged) factoids so I think the best way is to start in sections (ie pentagon, WTC, flight 93) to refute can't refute or agree with the points made. I'll try get get this soon.

[jubaji]

Are people still going on about this conspiracy nonsense?

[IPON]

What prompted me with the first post on this thread was an image of those passengers on flight 93 deciding to storm the cockpit of that flight,knowing they were going to die,but doing it so other countrymen/women of theirs would not.Irrespective of what nation you belong to,I believe,and I think everyone else does as well,to define what a heroic act is.
Ipon,my comments were not personnally at yourself,and feel sorry for your loss on that day.
A documentary that I had watched about why the twin towers failed descibed how the impact of the aircraft actually blew off the fire resistant material sprayed on to the metal structure of the building.With the intense heat and the weight of the structure above the impact,contributed to the warping of the beams which lead to each building coming down.
Yes I did not watch the documentary so I could be accused of dicussing a topic without being fully aware of the facts.But we saw those planes.we heard those cell phone calls.It was an act of terrorism.

This is not an easy topic for anyone. And I will agree with Mike that you being in Australia show how far reaching it is. This is the only film I saw regarding 9/11 and there was a lot of detail which I just thought would be good to discuss and refute or expand on. Maybe it was not such a good idea. Anyway, no problems bro, I may have taken your comment out of context.

[HERQ454]

What prompted me with the first post on this thread was an image of those passengers on flight 93 deciding to storm the cockpit of that flight,knowing they were going to die,but doing it so other countrymen/women of theirs would not.Irrespective of what nation you belong to,I believe,and I think everyone else does as well,to define what a heroic act is.
Ipon,my comments were not personnally at yourself,and feel sorry for your loss on that day.
A documentary that I had watched about why the twin towers failed descibed how the impact of the aircraft actually blew off the fire resistant material sprayed on to the metal structure of the building.With the intense heat and the weight of the structure above the impact,contributed to the warping of the beams which lead to each building coming down.
Yes I did not watch the documentary so I could be accused of dicussing a topic without being fully aware of the facts.But we saw those planes.we heard those cell phone calls.It was an act of terrorism.

[IPON]

OK Now I know why its called Defend net

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[IPON]

OK Now I know why its called Defend net

HERQ,
Dude, I totally agree with you that there needs to be some respect for the victims of the 9/11 attacks. I've never seen so many people eager to drag victims of an attack through the mud to propegate conspiracy theories. After the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut (and still to this day) the victims - even though they were military fighting men in a war zone - were honored and mourned by all except our enemies. But after 9/11, while most of us mourned and honored them and their families, there were those who said they "deserved what they got" and compared them to "little Nazis" from their University podiums.

I am all for free speech, but I just wish it still came with a dose of respect. I believe in asking the tough questions and investigating things objectively, but I believe there's a balance in there somewhere that many are not even interested in finding. You can search for truth while still honoring those innocents who died, and you don't have to make their families the butt of conspiracies and rhetoric just to drive home political points.

I also would like to extend my sincere appreciation to you for defending them. I find it telling that you are from Australia, and you are the voice of American unity in this thread. May all of the pretenders look at themselves and compare their own attitudes honestly to yours.

Mike, again I prefaced this thread addressing that it was not about “conspiracy theories” nor do I consider myself a conspiracy theorist. However, IF you OBJECTIVELY watched the film instead a 2-3 point cliff note version you would find that regardless if you think the people that made the film are nuts they provided good research. Research that can be refuted, but not with a “guess” (this could have happed because or may have happened because). I didn’t list point because I wanted to people to watch the film, if I listed point people would only respond to the points.

Mike sorry, but you are not objective. To be objective you have to be open to receive information and you are not, you start from a perspective again that you know the answers and barely know what questions are being asked (from the perspective of the file. I actually was looking forward to your comments and others with military background on some of the technical parts just as I have approached others. I was curious what the board members had to say. BUT saying I am stupid and implying that I am un american is not appreciated and also shows your lack of objectivity. And before you rant and say “Show me any post where I specifically said IPON is stupid or that you are un-American” when you make general comments like the one, nuff said:

I find it telling that you are from Australia, and you are the voice of American unity in this thread.

So basically we are American if we agree with your opinions, well I am sorry I don’t see the objectivity. Some of your points are acknowledged in the film. Why you assume that I immediately jumped to “conspiracy theories” OMG because there was something I saw at the twin towers. Mike I questioned it, and still maintain my question. Unlike you I never qualified it I thought it was odd how the build collapsed. I know engineers in different fields that thought it was equally odd. So don’t assume that you know things that you don’t. This is not the first time a jet plane hit one of the buildings in NYC but it is the first time a building collapsed, the merit of that point is worth discussion. Who did what and why is another discussion that is objective discussion. Then there is this explanation:

If it's that implausible, look at your average candle. It burns from the top, and the wax melts straight down. It doesn't sputter out the sides, and it doesn't cause the candle to tip over. It gets hot, and the hot stuff melts downward over the stuff below it - just like the WTC did.

Umm, do I really need to discuss physics and why this is not an appropriate analogy to WTC? I refuse to believe that your thinking can be this simplistic and flawed.


Ockham’s razor is almost a circular theory when you take it out of the context of science. The fact is simply because the most simple explanation is not always the best, but axion in this context is one of the best ways to move away from potential truth (generally speaking).