Christians vs Atheist?

[jubaji]

he can't even see the contradiction within a single sentence!

No one has been killed in the name of atheism, but plenty of people have died at the hands of idiots who force their beliefs on others.

LOL!

[Garland]

i don't know much about the others mentionned, but the Soviet Union was definately suppressive and intolerant of religion. Marxist thinking and atheism kinda go hand in hand, ever hear "religion is the opiate of the masses"?

yes... ever hear the term "modus tollens"?

Just because Atheism is part of Communism doesn't mean that it follows that the acts of Communists should be attributed to Atheism as an ideology, or done in the name of atheism.

[Garland]

Its one of the central tenants of communism.

reciprocity and altruism are central tenants of religion, does that mean we can blame the crusades, the inquistition, and 9-11 on reciprocity and altruism? No. It's a logical fallacy affirming the consequents.

[jubaji]

No, no. Atheism is not a central tenent of all forms of government, so your example is too broad.


Say rather that conversion is a central tentant of some religions. If a radical religious sect demands forced conversion and kills millions of people in the process of doing so, then you can blame both the religion and that aspect of it that played a part in those killings.


If someone says "You must believe in God or I'll kill you!" and does so, that's bad.

If someone says "You must NOT believe in God or I'll kill you!" and does so, that's the same bad.

Both have happened to lots and lots and lots of people. Both are bad. Only one seems to be being denied here.

[BoarSpear]

Plain and simple, name one time that atheist INVADED a foreign land land and tortured and killed all those who wouldn't convert to atheism simply because the atheist didn't like religious people....

When did atheists EVER start a war OVER religion?

[jubaji]

Plain and simple, name one time that atheist INVADED a foreign land land and tortured and killed all those who wouldn't convert to atheism

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Tibet.

[BoarSpear]

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Tibet.

Utter Bullshit....We see who knows history and who spouts whatever propaganda he was spoon fed...The Dalai Lama seems to feel differently than Jubaji on why his country was invaded...hmmm who do we believe?

"In the Holocaust, the Jewish people were persecuted simply because of their faith and culture; in other words, they were singled out to persecution because they were members of a certain group. However, in Tibet, the Chinese government had a different goal than the Nazis in Germany. China did not invade Tibet to exterminate the Tibetan Buddhists. Another interpretation would be that the persecution of Tibetan Buddhists undermined the strength of the country to defend itself, making it easier for China to annex the land. Instead, China wanted to annex the land and if a religious group was annihilated in the process, it was of no consequence."
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So now that we have put your lie to bed....try again...

[BoarSpear]

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So when did Atheist invade purely to destroy a religion again? NEVER...When did organized religion set out to wipe out non believers? When haven't they?

[jubaji]

Utter Bullshit....

"in Tibet, the Chinese government did not invade Tibet to exterminate the Tibetan Buddhists."
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You so-called atheists have a real problem facing up to the facts, don't you?

Trying to cherry-pick the factors involved in various conflicts doesn't work either.

in The Crusades, the Christian lands did not invade the near east to exterminate the Muslims. The point of the Crusades wasn't to kill Muslims, it was to conquer and hold certain land.

The point of the Inquisition wasn't to kill all non-Catholics, it was to force their conversion for political (mostly) as well as religious reasons.

The Red Chinese invaded Tibet to force conversion and to hold land. Sound familiar, shitforbrains?

Every large scale religious movement has a political aspect to it, and if a government chooses to make it so (as communism always does), large scale political movements can have religious aspects to them.

You can't hide from it no matter how much you'd like to.

[BoarSpear]

You so-called atheists have a real problem facing up to the facts, don't you?

Trying to cherry-pick the factors involved in various conflicts doesn't work either.

in The Crusades, the Christian lands did not invade the near east to exterminate the Muslims. The point of the Crusades wasn't to kill Muslims, it was to conquer and hold certain land.

The point of the Inquisition wasn't to kill all non-Catholics, it was to force their conversion for political (mostly) as well as religious reasons.

The Red Chinese invaded Tibet to force conversion and to hold land. Sound familiar, shitforbrains?

Every large scale religious movement has a political aspect to it, and if a government chooses to make it so (as communism always does), large scale political movements can have religious aspects to them.

You can't hide from it no matter how much you'd like to.

You so called Christians sure do spend a lot of time insulting people who point out your lies and bullshit. The question you LIED to answer was name one ATHEIST nation that invaded another and tortured and killed all those who didn't convert to Atheism...your uneducated bullshit answer was Tibet...

[BoarSpear]

"If you look at the history of Chinese, they are always expanding. That is their nature. Before the Chinese Communists took power, during the Kuomintang time, it seems that the Kuomintang on some occasions were to invade Tibet, but they did not succeed. When the Chinese Communists came to power the whole of China was united, and thus then had enough power to invade Tibet. If you look objectively, there is clear sign that the two are separate countries. In the Chinese' case, they had a very belief that the whole working class of the worlds should unite and destroy the imperialist or Capitalist. Therefor, when the Chinese reached Lhasa, one Chinese general explained that the liberation of Tibet was not only for the Tibetans but for the neighbouing nations as well. They also believed in the power of the gun. So Tibet was strategically important to them. I think that these are the reasons."
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Yep another quote from the Dalai Lama that directly goes against jubaji's "expertise" on the subject...NOTHING to do with Religion but everything to do with strategy.

[jubaji]

The question was name one ATHEIST nation that invaded another and tortured and killed all those who didn't convert to Atheism...your answer was Tibet

Actually, the answer was China in its invasion of Tibet and (attempt at) forced conversion of thousands of Tibetans to atheism.
And I was correct and accurate. And you are now hurt and ashamed by that. Too F-ing bad, I didn't tell you to be stupid.

[jubaji]

NOTHING to do with Religion but everything to do with strategy.

Read post #99 again. Make pUke run out and buy you a dictionary for the big words.

[BoarSpear]

And I was correct and accurate. And you are now hurt and ashamed by that. Too F-ing bad, I didn't tell you to be stupid.

Keep telling yourself you were right, I'm done explaining the facts to you, unless you find some evidence other than your word I have nothing else to say since I quoted the Dalai Lama TWICE destroying your claims....this is even less relevant since Tibet didn't even fit the question...but you had to reach for any straw you could find.

We can always tell when you've run out of logical arguments, all you do is babble and insult people...never once can you back your post up with anything except insults...that says it all.

Who to believe, the leader of the invaded country or jubaji?...only you would even still try to act like you were right.

I've wasted enough time on you today.

[BoarSpear]

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