Christians vs Atheist?

[Garland]

No, no. Atheism is not a central tenent of all forms of government, so your example is too broad.


Say rather that conversion is a central tentant of some religions. If a radical religious sect demands forced conversion and kills millions of people in the process of doing so, then you can blame both the religion and that aspect of it that played a part in those killings.


If someone says "You must believe in God or I'll kill you!" and does so, that's bad.

If someone says "You must NOT believe in God or I'll kill you!" and does so, that's the same bad.

Both have happened to lots and lots and lots of people. Both are bad. Only one seems to be being denied here.

Atheism is not JUST a tenent or component of Communism. Is is a seperate belief structure. You could say that Nazism and Socialism are the same based on that logic due to the socialist component, right? It doesn't mean that all socialists are nazis. Not all atheists are communists, in fact, quite the contrary.

I don't know of any massacres done in the name of atheism, maybe for communism, but not atheism by itself.

[DickHardman]

I don't know of any massacres done in the name of atheism, maybe for communism, but not atheism by itself.

one of the main reasons behind all this violence and bloodshed is lack of faith in god inmop. if people truly believed in god and feared him they would not be so quick to harm others and cause chaos.

[jubaji]

godless and brainless?

Keep telling yourself you were right

The question was name one ATHEIST nation (1) that invaded another (2) and tortured and killed those who didn't convert to Atheism (3)...your answer was Tibet

1 - check

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Yup, I covered every point in your question.

[jubaji]

I don't know of any massacres done in the name of atheism, maybe for communism, but not atheism by itself.

You're trying to separate the political and religious components, but that works the other way as well. Religious massacres have all had their political components as well. (see post #99)

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

yes... ever hear the term "modus tollens"?

Just because Atheism is part of Communism doesn't mean that it follows that the acts of Communists should be attributed to Atheism as an ideology, or done in the name of atheism.

i had not, but i looked it up

but as jubaji is pointing out, doesn't that go both ways? religion is part of the governments that invade other countries.

i'm curious (genuinely, i don't have a good answer myself) how you define atheism or agnosticism or any other philosophy from "religion"? you derive codes of conduct and morality from atheist beliefs just as from a belief in the supernatural, or at least i hope you do. it seems to me the main difference is how many believers there are and how institutionalized they are. but in practice, a lot of the time one christian's beliefs vary as widely from another's as one atheist's beliefs vary from another's.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Plain and simple, name one time that atheist INVADED a foreign land land and tortured and killed all those who wouldn't convert to atheism simply because the atheist didn't like religious people....

When did atheists EVER start a war OVER religion?

give 'em time, it'll happen. anyone see the south park episodes where in the future atheist nations are fighting over science? it was funny in that kinda scary way...

[BoarSpear]

give 'em time, it'll happen. anyone see the south park episodes where in the future atheist nations are fighting over science? it was funny in that kinda scary way...

hehehehe geesh we've been around for awhile now....but some day in the future...oh shit Old King George is gonna declare a preemptive war on atheists!!
Lord knows Bush seems to get his ideas from watching South Park.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

hehehehe geesh we've been around for awhile now....but some day in the future...oh shit Old King George is gonna declare a preemptive war on atheists!!
Lord knows Bush seems to get his ideas from watching South Park.

lol, if he got his ideas from south park it would only be because he couldn't discern satire from... o crap, you might be on to something.

and yea atheism has been around a long time, but i don't think it's ever been the dominant climate of belief in a nation until the modern era.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

and yea atheism has been around a long time, but i don't think it's ever been the dominant climate of belief in a nation until the modern era.

It still isn't in most countries, My Country has slightly over 50%
I believe the scandinavian countries are the same but even then you can't say it is the dominant climate, seeing the exceptions we make for religious people
Example, in my coutry, gay marriages are allowed, the new government agreed to allow people(read christians) that have religious objections to refuse to mary these couples
Luckely we have a system were cabnet and parlament are seperate
and the people in parlament from the one of the parties in the cabinet object to it ( meaning it will not be implemented)

[Garland]

one of the main reasons behind all this violence and bloodshed is lack of faith in god inmop. if people truly believed in god and feared him they would not be so quick to harm others and cause chaos.

WHAT? ARE YOU RETARDED?! What about the Inquisition, the Crusades, and just about every other fucked up thing done by Christianity...covering up molestations and rapes...? What about the fucked up shit the Muslims do?

[Garland]

You're trying to separate the political and religious components, but that works the other way as well. Religious massacres have all had their political components as well. (see post #99)

Yeah, I am...
Every true Marx-esque Communist must be an atheist
Not every atheist is a communist.

That's like saying that Playa de Giron went down because JFK was a Catholic. It's illogical and simply untrue.

[Garland]

i'm curious (genuinely, i don't have a good answer myself) how you define atheism or agnosticism or any other philosophy from "religion"? you derive codes of conduct and morality from atheist beliefs just as from a belief in the supernatural, or at least i hope you do. it seems to me the main difference is how many believers there are and how institutionalized they are. but in practice, a lot of the time one christian's beliefs vary as widely from another's as one atheist's beliefs vary from another's.

Uh...no. Not a religion.
Any other philosophy too? So hard determinism is a religion? existentialism too? I believe in cognitive dissonance...does that mean I'm a member of a whole host of religions? NOPE. WRONG.

[DickHardman]

WHAT? ARE YOU RETARDED?! What about the Inquisition, the Crusades, and just about every other fucked up thing done by Christianity...covering up molestations and rapes...? What about the fucked up shit the Muslims do?

those people dont believe in god. they may claim they do, but anyone who murders, rapes, and molests others is quite far away from god. i dont care what they claim to believe in, they are FAR from being true believers in god. had these fools had any real faith they would have feared the punishment of bringing harm to other people.

[Garland]

those people dont believe in god. they may claim they do, but anyone who murders, rapes, and molests others is quite far away from god. i dont care what they claim to believe in, they are FAR from being true believers in god. had these fools had any real faith they would have feared the punishment of bringing harm to other people.

What religion are you? Just curious so I have a framework...some broad strokes I can work the details in to make my point and relate it to your background.

[DickHardman]

What religion are you? Just curious so I have a framework...some broad strokes I can work the details in to make my point and relate it to your background.

i dont have a particular religion. i believe in god, but no particular religion.